2013 MLB Regular Season running thread

[peacer84]

We still see undeserving award winners every so often, too, because of writers who refuse to acknowledge better stats. Miguel Cabrera won a damn MVP last year because he won the Triple Crown, which features two statistics that are extremely outdated.

Go away. I'll discuss this with intelligent people like dre, whose opinion I respect most highly even when I don't agree.

Cabrera won the MVP because he was the most valuable player.

Spare me this "lack of intelligence" talk. I know what I'm talking about. Mike Trout was a more valuable player than Miggy last year. Period.

Without Cabrera, Tigers don't make the playoffs. Without Trout...Angels (who didn't make the playoffs) still don't make the playoffs.

 

[NDJournalist]

In all seriousness, will baseball ever get to the point where advanced statistics are considered the norm? Standard fantasy leagues still use wins, RBi and batting average while leaving out WAR, OBP and OPS. Broadcasts still overhype wins, RBIs and batting average as well.

Incorporating advanced statistics is the key, without getting rid of what's out there. I had a fantasy league that used OBP and another one that did OPS. The more traditional stats are useful...maybe some are less important when determining the value of a player's next contract, but that doesn't make stats like RBIs less important in terms of a player's accomplishments.

RBIs are extremely less important. It's a team-dependent stat. Upton, for example, is probably the front-runner as of now for the NL MVP. He has a grand total of 16 RBI, tied for seventh in the NL, because his brother and Heyward haven't gotten on base for him.

 

[dreunc1542]

ND making the case for advanced statistics will not help the case for advanced statistics. Using the tired old writers don't get it line won't work either. I know many of the people who vote and they know more baseball than ND ever will.

DRE, you and I aren't as far apart as it sounds.

OK, off to see OVI. You guys have fun talking BAPIP

Why won't it help the case? Because I know what I'm talking about? These newfangled statistics CREATE better knowledge of the game and the history of the game. They can be used on players throughout history and to compare today's stars with past generations. They really are quite useful.

What he's saying is that, since you suck at arguing, any point you argue is inherently hindered by your presence. You could argue the sky is blue and I'd have to double-check.

 

[dreunc1542]

We still see undeserving award winners every so often, too, because of writers who refuse to acknowledge better stats. Miguel Cabrera won a damn MVP last year because he won the Triple Crown, which features two statistics that are extremely outdated.

Go away. I'll discuss this with intelligent people like dre, whose opinion I respect most highly even when I don't agree.

Cabrera won the MVP because he was the most valuable player.

Spare me this "lack of intelligence" talk. I know what I'm talking about. Mike Trout was a more valuable player than Miggy last year. Period.

Without Cabrera, Tigers don't make the playoffs. Without Trout...Angels (who didn't make the playoffs) still don't make the playoffs.

That argument is almost as bad as any that NDJ is making.

 

[NDJournalist]

We still see undeserving award winners every so often, too, because of writers who refuse to acknowledge better stats. Miguel Cabrera won a damn MVP last year because he won the Triple Crown, which features two statistics that are extremely outdated.

Go away. I'll discuss this with intelligent people like dre, whose opinion I respect most highly even when I don't agree.

Cabrera won the MVP because he was the most valuable player.

Spare me this "lack of intelligence" talk. I know what I'm talking about. Mike Trout was a more valuable player than Miggy last year. Period.

Without Cabrera, Tigers don't make the playoffs. Without Trout...Angels (who didn't make the playoffs) still don't make the playoffs.

A) That isn't a sign of value. Giancarlo Stanton can still, hypothetically, be one of the most valuable players in baseball if his team still sucks.
B) The Angels won one more regular season game than the Tigers.
C) Cabrera was a liability in the field, Trout was a stud offensively and defensively.
D) Fangraphs and B-R value both have Trout about three wins more valuable in 2012.

 

[NDJournalist]

We still see undeserving award winners every so often, too, because of writers who refuse to acknowledge better stats. Miguel Cabrera won a damn MVP last year because he won the Triple Crown, which features two statistics that are extremely outdated.

Go away. I'll discuss this with intelligent people like dre, whose opinion I respect most highly even when I don't agree.

Cabrera won the MVP because he was the most valuable player.

Spare me this "lack of intelligence" talk. I know what I'm talking about. Mike Trout was a more valuable player than Miggy last year. Period.

Without Cabrera, Tigers don't make the playoffs. Without Trout...Angels (who didn't make the playoffs) still don't make the playoffs.

That argument is almost as bad as any that NDJ is making.

OK. Then, in this instance, can you read this argument alone without thinking of past arguments I've made.

 

[dreunc1542]

Miles from actual English.

 

[peacer84]

One got to the postseason. And one didn't.

That seems to be pretty important in a "most valuable" discussion when comparing two players.

 

[Uncle.Ruckus]

Without Cabrera, Tigers don't make the playoffs. Without Trout...Angels (who didn't make the playoffs) still don't make the playoffs.

With Miguel Cabrera, the Tigers finished 88-74. With Mike Trout, the Angels finished 89-73. Technically, the Angels finished 83-59 with Trout, since they waited until the end of April to promote him.

 

[dreunc1542]

One got to the postseason. And one didn't.

That seems to be pretty important in a "most valuable" discussion when comparing two players.

Last I checked, there are quite a few other players on each team who have an effect on the outcome.

 

[peacer84]

I'm not saying its all that matters.

But comparing two players, I'd say it's worth considering.

 

[JC]

We still see undeserving award winners every so often, too, because of writers who refuse to acknowledge better stats. Miguel Cabrera won a damn MVP last year because he won the Triple Crown, which features two statistics that are extremely outdated.

Go away. I'll discuss this with intelligent people like dre, whose opinion I respect most highly even when I don't agree.

Cabrera won the MVP because he was the most valuable player.

There is a big advanced stats movement coming to hockey, and the debates are very reminiscent of the early baseball debates.

Anyways can we get back to Strasburg and Harper being terrible?