Coaches who didn’t get second chances

[OscarMadison]

Trotz is coaching the islanders now.

Doh! I forgot about the Fish Sticks.

 

[justgladtobehere]

The discussion about Fassel on the NFL thread got me thinking about coaching retreads. Who are the guys who found success and never got a second chance? Or third chance? And maybe as sports journalists we can shed some light as to why?

The two I am thinking of:

Raymond Berry: took the pats to the super bowl; followed with an afc east title and then two more winning seasons; then had his first losing season and was fired. Never got more than a qbs coach gig after that.

Brian Billick: super bowl win and an overall winning record with the ravens. Was relatively young when he left in 2007. Does some television, but isn't a super high profile guy.

I would add Bill Cowher, but I feel when he left the Steelers, he put up the signal that he was done for good and no interest in coaching again.

I was young when Berry got canned, but I remember him being portrayed as very out of touch in all aspects of being a coach. He was a very 1950s guy.

 

[3_Octave_Fart]

I got the impression from Doug Flutie: A Football Life that Berry was indeed out of touch with the modern player and a poor communicator.
He had nothing to do with the pure roster rot of that team back then, but he did not manage the quarterback position well at all.

 

[3_Octave_Fart]

As far as Mariucci - I think it's better for a guy to come in and win with nothing rather than guide loaded teams, get bounced with them and then lose with nothing in his second job.

 

[DanOregon]

The Mariucci "coaching tree" is almost comical. Always thought if he stayed at Cal for a couple of years before heading to the NFL he would have been in a much better position.

• Adam Gase: Miami Dolphins (2016–2018), New York Jets (2019–present)
• Tom Holmoe: California (1997–2001)
• Hue Jackson: Oakland Raiders (2011), Cleveland Browns (2016–2018)
• Sean Kugler: UTEP (2013–2017)
• Jim L. Mora: Atlanta Falcons (2004–2006), Seattle Seahawks (2009), UCLA (2012–2017)
• Dan Quinn: Atlanta Falcons (2015–present)
• Troy Taylor: Sacramento State (2019–present)
• DeWayne Walker: New Mexico State (2009–2012)

Another one is Mike Riley leaving after a 5-6 season at Oregon State for the Chargers. The money was more than OSU, but wasn't at all great by NFL standards and Beathard the GM already announced he was retiring. Of course, who knows if Oregon State gets to the Fiesta Bowl if they don't get Erickson (who also left OSU after the first whiff of NFL interest). heck, when David Shaw finally makes the jump he's going to get six guaranteed and $50m.

 

[Liut]

Eddie Bush - Kansas City Scouts.

 

[Huggy]

Eddie Bush - Kansas City Scouts.

Wow, great old-school hockey pull. I have been to the Eddie Bush Arena in beautiful downtown Collingwood, Ontario

 

[Scout]

Never got a chance... whatever happened to Russ Grimm?

 

[Twirling Time]

I also want to say Ray Perkins, by the way.
He sucked in Tampa but he was no worse than a deck Jauron who kept getting jobs after the ones he most recently sucked at.
Perkins was a Junction Boy and tougher than a 50-cent steak but he deserved another shot somewhere.

That one failed year at Arkansas State probably hurt him more than anything. Not even working for Parcells for 4 seasons afterward could erase that stain.

 

[3_Octave_Fart]

Twirling Time-
There was an incident where Perkins physically attacked a player (Ron Heller). I don't know how much reporting it got at the time.

 

[Sea Bass]

Steve Kasper, Boston Bruins of the mid 90s.

 

[tapintoamerica]

Rob Chudzinski, 2016 Browns
Frank Gansz, Chiefs
Steve Wilks, Cardinals