Sixty Years Ago

[Captain_Kirk]

Enjoy your tinfoil hat.

The single bullet is fact, computer models have proven it. No magic involved. (Another horrible legacy of Stone's film; Jennings' doc destroys how he presented it.)

The "inconsistencies" between Parkland and Bethesda were debunked by NOVA, which filmed Parkland docs confirming the autopsy photos match their memories of treating Kennedy.

Plenty of testimony and documentary evidence re: Oswald "flittering back and forth" exisists from Soviets (both from his time in USSR, and in Mexico in '63) and the Cubans (from embassy visit in Mexico). Plenty of other US citizens went to/defected to USSR during Cold War.

Ruby was friends with Dallas cops. Took care of them at his clubs. He was at the police station not infrequently. He was a low-level, boisterous, temperamental mobster who would have been a horrible pick for such a job.

Gerald Posner's book Case Closed tears apart much of what others (like the two books you mentioned) have suggested.

Care to cite any reference to how many US citizens defected to and came back from Russia between 1958 - 1962? Then , cull that down to those that were in the armed forces in Asia at that time?

The Ruby comment is simply opinion, and simply nonsense.

Have you read either of the books I referenced? I think I know the answer to that...

 

[Michael_ Gee]

Either we assume that 75-80 percent of Americans have been deluded since the assassination, or we must say the official story has failed to answer their basic questions. If TWO Presidents of the United States, each deeply steeped in political chicanery, thought the assassination was a conspiracy, that's one heck of lot more evidence than "something smells." Each had unlimited access to all information on the assassination. And the government story didn't add up for them.

 

[da man]

People can believe what they want.

If you want to shirt on the work of well-regarded investigative journalists and shirt on what actual evidence shows, be my guest.

Ummm... Your sarcasm detector needs work.

Guess I should have used the ol' blue font.

 

[bumpy mcgee]

Ted Cruz's grandfather did it, lots of people are talking

 

[SFIND]

Care to cite any reference to how many US citizens defected to and came back from Russia between 1958 - 1962? Then , cull that down to those that were in the armed forces in Asia at that time?

The Ruby comment is simply opinion, and simply nonsense.

Have you read either of the books I referenced? I think I know the answer to that...

I've read both those books, a book about Jim Garrison and a book called Texas Connection, all around two decades ago. Also read Roger Stone's book trying to make the case for LBJ around 10 years ago (last library book I've read, because I sure as heck wasn't giving him money).

You want to talk about opinions and nonsense? They're all full of them, as wells a lot of conjecture, rumor and malarkey. Their is little to no evidence to back any of it up, only bullshirt. (Did you read Posner's Case Closed?)

The Ruby comment is opinion... the opinion Dallas cops, Mob members, girls who worked for him, friends, etc. As in the people who actually knew him! But what does it matter if actual Mafia people laughed at the notion of using him as a hitman? Some guy in a book made it part of the conspiracy, so it must be true. (He was such a prepared hitman, too. Left his dog in his car, did some errands and only showed up like two minutes before Oswald was transferred. And the transfer was way late, so it makes no sense why Ruby wasn't already there, if he was directed to by organized crime.)

I remember reading stories around the time of Snowden ending up in Russia 10 years ago that it was not an uncommon occurrence during Cold War. I remember distinctly reading about two NSA cryptologists who defected around the same time as Oswald. Found this on a Google search: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_defectors_to_the_Soviet_Union

Couldn't find any of the articles, but I'm not going to go digging and waste any more time, nor any more time replying to you.

You want to believe, evidence be damned. Have at it. Ultimately doesn't affect me.

 

[dixiehack]

Not to hog the thread, but the idea that Frank McGee had to relay Robert McNeill's report because the telephone coupler wasn't working just shows how primitive technology was in 1963. Here we are, communicating on individual devices across a network supported by satellite relays at near real time, and back then, the Dallas TV guy didn't even have time to fix his toupee!

The uncut CBS footage is a trip.



It starts with 10 minutes worth of As The World Turns before the first bulletin (title card only - no such thing as the studio cameras cutting on instantly.) Uncle Walter shares what he knows for 60 seconds and then they go to a Nescafé ad, a sponsor announcement for ATWT, a little bit of dead air and another short title card for the soap opera before another audio-only bulletin. Then they join the show in progress and get through the rest of the scene and most of a Friskies ad before cutting to news coverage for good around the 18-minute mark. The video finally comes up a half-hour in.

 

[SFIND]

Either we assume that 75-80 percent of Americans have been deluded since the assassination, or we must say the official story has failed to answer their basic questions. If TWO Presidents of the United States, each deeply steeped in political chicanery, thought the assassination was a conspiracy, that's one heck of lot more evidence than "something smells." Each had unlimited access to all information on the assassination. And the government story didn't add up for them.

No. No, it's not. It's evidence of nothing. It's two people's opinions.

But again, why follow the facts and actual evidence? If Johnson had a hunch Castro organized it, and Nixon thought the CIA was involved, by God, that's evidence. [And it doesn't matter they both (allegedly) believed two different conspiracy theories.]

 

[SFIND]

Getting back to the original spirit of the thread (no point discussing conspiracy further, nobody's minds are getting changed)...

I watched this today. Goes over a lot of what was talked about earlier in the thread re: Murrow and CBS reporting. Really interesting hearing Rather and other reporters who were on the ground talk about it.

If you have access to it (I subscribe to PBS Docs through Amazon), check it out.

JFK: One PM Central Standard Time ~ About the Episode | Secrets of the Dead | PBS

 

[HanSenSE]

The uncut CBS footage is a trip.



It starts with 10 minutes worth of As The World Turns before the first bulletin (title card only - no such thing as the studio cameras cutting on instantly.) Uncle Walter shares what he knows for 60 seconds and then they go a Nescafé ad, a sponsor announcement for ATWT, a little bit of dead air and another short title card for the soap opera before another audio-only bulletin. Then they join the show in progress and get through the rest of the scene and most of a Friskies ad before cutting to news coverage for good around the 18-minute mark. The video finally comes up a half-hour in.

Cronkite talked about this in his book. In the days of the vacuum tube, it took the camera that long to warm up. After this, they kept a camera hot all day.

 

[UPChip]

Is there still a "basement" of radio left? I know the hourly network news broadcasts stopped a long time ago. Does CBS, or any other network, produce radio reports for its affiliates? For example, in Denver, KOA has a morning news block but I think they only have one street reporter. And that guy may be the only radio reporter in the city.

60 years ago the leading radio stations were generally co-owned by the television stations and shared newsrooms. But those duopolies were banned by the FCC in the 70's Then in the early 80's the FCC did away with the requirement that a radio station had to program some news. As stations were sold the radio and television stations were separated and the radio newsrooms discontinued.

We have a news-talk station in Duluth that takes twice-hourly broadcasts from CBS. Honestly, it's a pretty way to get concise updates on stuff at the beginning of my day.

My parents's good friends got married the day after the assassination and as you'd expect that was all people were talking about and really cast a pall over the whole event, which was unfortunate for the bride and groom.

Your parents were good friends with Roger Sterling's daughter and son-in-law? Impressive. (That is a significant part of the very good Mad Men episode from that time period.)

 

[Brooklyn Bridge]

1. Yes.
2. CBS radio still airs hourly news broadcasts. It also provides long-form programming for affiliates, as well as packaged reports to major market stations. As for others, Fox radio does hourlies. As far as I know, ABC radio still does top-of-the-hour reports but haven't stumble onto one of late.

WCBS in NEW York still plays a simulcast of the Evening News at 5:00. They also pick up the 1 minute updates at :31 when there is big news going on. Like you said, I haven't heard any ABC News updates in a while.

I'll second your comment in another post about listening to NPR during breaking news. They do a good job during debates and other big events.

 

[MileHigh]

The uncut CBS footage is a trip.



It starts with 10 minutes worth of As The World Turns before the first bulletin (title card only - no such thing as the studio cameras cutting on instantly.) Uncle Walter shares what he knows for 60 seconds and then they go to a Nescafé ad, a sponsor announcement for ATWT, a little bit of dead air and another short title card for the soap opera before another audio-only bulletin. Then they join the show in progress and get through the rest of the scene and most of a Friskies ad before cutting to news coverage for good around the 18-minute mark. The video finally comes up a half-hour in.

That's the one I was searching for yesterday and couldn't find. Yeah, it's a trip.