Sixty Years Ago

[goalmouth]

WCBS in NEW York still plays a simulcast of the Evening News at 5:00. They also pick up the 1 minute updates at :31 when there is big news going on. Like you said, I haven't heard any ABC News updates in a while.

I'll second your comment in another post about listening to NPR during breaking news. They do a good job during debates and other big events.

Except when NPR asked politislut Maria Butina about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[tapintoamerica]

Not to hog the thread, but the idea that Frank McGee had to relay Robert McNeill's report because the telephone coupler wasn't working just shows how primitive technology was in 1963. Here we are, communicating on individual devices across a network supported by satellite relays at near real time, and back then, the Dallas TV guy didn't even have time to fix his toupee!

The wild thing: It's not like TV was invented two weeks before the assassination.

 

[tapintoamerica]

Enjoy your tinfoil hat.

The single bullet is fact, computer models have proven it. No magic involved. (Another horrible legacy of Stone's film; Jennings' doc destroys how he presented it.)

The "inconsistencies" between Parkland and Bethesda were debunked by NOVA, which filmed Parkland docs confirming the autopsy photos match their memories of treating Kennedy.

Plenty of testimony and documentary evidence re: Oswald "flittering back and forth" exisists from Soviets (both from his time in USSR, and in Mexico in '63) and the Cubans (from embassy visit in Mexico). Plenty of other US citizens went to/defected to USSR during Cold War.

Ruby was friends with Dallas cops. Took care of them at his clubs. He was at the police station not infrequently. He was a low-level, boisterous, temperamental mobster who would have been a horrible pick for such a job.

Gerald Posner's book Case Closed tears apart much of what others (like the two books you mentioned) have suggested.

Case Closed is one of the most thorough books in the history of publishing. There might be more text in footnotes than in the standard copy.
It convinced me -- at least for many years -- that there was no conspiracy.
Now I'm listening to Rob Reiner's podcast, and I'm back to having doubts about the official version.

 

[tapintoamerica]

I've read both those books, a book about Jim Garrison and a book called Texas Connection, all around two decades ago. Also read Roger Stone's book trying to make the case for LBJ around 10 years ago (last library book I've read, because I sure as heck wasn't giving him money).

You want to talk about opinions and nonsense? They're all full of them, as wells a lot of conjecture, rumor and malarkey. Their is little to no evidence to back any of it up, only bullshirt. (Did you read Posner's Case Closed?)

The Ruby comment is opinion... the opinion Dallas cops, Mob members, girls who worked for him, friends, etc. As in the people who actually knew him! But what does it matter if actual Mafia people laughed at the notion of using him as a hitman? Some guy in a book made it part of the conspiracy, so it must be true. (He was such a prepared hitman, too. Left his dog in his car, did some errands and only showed up like two minutes before Oswald was transferred. And the transfer was way late, so it makes no sense why Ruby wasn't already there, if he was directed to by organized crime.)

I remember reading stories around the time of Snowden ending up in Russia 10 years ago that it was not an uncommon occurrence during Cold War. I remember distinctly reading about two NSA cryptologists who defected around the same time as Oswald. Found this on a Google search: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_defectors_to_the_Soviet_Union

Couldn't find any of the articles, but I'm not going to go digging and waste any more time, nor any more time replying to you.

You want to believe, evidence be damned. Have at it. Ultimately doesn't affect me.

The part of Case Closed that did the best job of debunking Ruby was the detailed account of Ruby's movements. He bought something at a drug store and walked leisurely into the basement of the police and courts building. Wasn't in a hurry. Had he been dispatched and ordered to carry out a hit, I think we can all agree he wouldn't have been so chill. He'd have been in place as others were.

 

[MileHigh]

Brought it up with mom and dad today.

Both in high school, mom a junior at a public high school in SoCal, dad a senior at an all-boys Catholic high school in SoCal. Both remember the day vividly but said there weren't mass hysterics. Announcements over intercoms, school resumed/not let out early.

Dad recalled the Lakers game that night was postponed. Remembered the AFL not playing that Sunday but the NFL playing. Both in school the following Monday.

Brother-in-law's dad was in college. Couldn't remember exactly where he was when he heard but remembered that obviously it was a BFD.

 

[micropolitan guy]

Brought it up with mom and dad today.

Both in high school, mom a junior at a public high school in SoCal, dad a senior at an all-boys Catholic high school in SoCal. Both remember the day vividly but said there weren't mass hysterics. Announcements over intercoms, school resumed/not let out early.

Dad recalled the Lakers game that night was postponed. Remembered the AFL not playing that Sunday but the NFL playing. Both in school the following Monday.

Brother-in-law's dad was in college. Couldn't remember exactly where he was when he heard but remembered that obviously it was a BFD.

We didn't have school on Monday because that's when the services were at Arlington and I believe it was the national day of mourning.

 

[MileHigh]

We didn't have school on Monday because that's when the services were at Arlington and I believe it was the national day of mourning.

That is mind-boggling. Killed on Friday the 22nd in Dallas. I'm guessing the country is in chaos but we don't have Twitter to confirm. And there's a state funeral in D.C. on the 25th. I get it, different times.

For FFS, my sister's family died on a weekend and it took us two weeks to do a semi-large service.

 

[Driftwood]

I don't think Oswald was some lone nut, Ruby was just being a good citizen, nor was there some grand conspiracy. I certainly don't believe the official Warren Commission report. I don't know how it really went down, but I suspect it's some mix of all the stories.

 

[Hermes]

Re-reading Caro this fall, I marveled again at the whirlwind LBJ emerged from that weekend. You read hundreds of pages of everything that had to be done in the wake of it and realize it all happened in three days.

 

[dixiehack]

Ruby was just being a good citizen

I've read this four times and am still not entirely sure if you are negating the idea or not.

 

[maumann]

Re-reading Caro this fall, I marveled again at the whirlwind LBJ emerged from that weekend. You read hundreds of pages of everything that had to be done in the wake of it and realize it all happened in three days.

And Jackie Kennedy somehow having the ability to process and plan while trying to grasp the reality of going from First Lady to grieving widow in the snap of a finger.

 

[maumann]

Thinking about this entire thread and once again reliving how we as the media are faced with so many challenges when THE BIGGEST STORY OF YOUR CAREER unexpectedly lands in your laps, I'm so proud and honored to have been a part of a group of amazingly talented people over the generations who have taken on this role of "modern town crier" knowing that we are held to a higher level of public criticism -- and usually a lower standard of living -- but continue to do our jobs informing readers and viewers of the facts, even when we are emotionally compromised.

We are damn good at what we do. Never forget that. Be strong. You are best when things are at their worst.

The torch was passed to me by people like you see in the grainy black and white videos from that day in 1963. I've passed it to the next generation, knowing it's in great hands. As long as there are stories to tell, there will always be talented people telling them.

No matter how much BS we take, professional story telling is a noble and just profession.

A broadcaster. A journalist. A storyteller. Pretty damn good life, if you ask me.