All-purpose, running Tim Tebow sucks/is a deity thread!

[JC]

OK, DD, I will say more wacky shirt.

Who is the Week 1 starting QB in Denver next year?

I say it's Tebow, and I think he has earned the job. Is he Joe Montana? No. Is he worth a shot? Yes.

And if it's not Tebow, then who is your starting QB?

I love people who scream that there is a problem but cannot give a solution.

Do you still believe he is in the top 15 QB's in the league?

It's a tough call because he is so different. Denver has the 25th ranked scoring offense (not the worst) and somehow McGahee is having a career year, at 30, taking handoffs from this kid. Top 15 now? No. But could he be next season? Yes.

And for what it's worth, Palmer and Rivers are not in the playoffs.

What the heck does Palmer and Rivers not making the playoffs have to do with anything?

Is this jsut another form of your "he knows how to win" argument. In a potential must win he went 6 for 22, but I do give him credit for making the Raiders lose.

I believe he can be a good football player doing a variety of things, being a starting NFL QB isn't one of them.

 

[BrianGriffin]

I think, regardless of what happens next week against the Steelers, he deserves to have an entire off-season to work with the Broncos coaching staff on improving his passing. I think the Broncos should see who is available in the draft when they make their first and second round pick, but I would not waste a pick on someone unless you were convinced they were going to be special.

I just think the rush to laugh him out of the NFL is extreme. Blaine Gabbert was truly awful this year, and I believe he's had as many career starts as Tebow, and he played in a pass happy offense in college. This year he played with the NFL's leading rusher and he was still atrocious. Should the Jags just give up and abandon him without trying to improve him in any way?

Are people really convinced, with proper coaching, that Tim Tebow could never even be Alex Smith?

As for Matt Flynn, Kevin Kolb just called and he thinks that's a great idea.

Kevin Kolb would be an improvement too.

 

[93Devil]

I agree, JC, his best football is not taking direct snaps every play.

But if you were to bench Tebow for another QB, and I mean having Tebow carry a clipboard, imagine the shirtstorm the rookie QB or the vet that replaces him will face each week.

Tebow has to be on the field for Denver next year. But I also think if the coaches ask him to play H-back or tight end, he would do it without a problem. Do people agree with that or am I wrong?

 

[93Devil]

As for Matt Flynn, Kevin Kolb just called and he thinks that's a great idea.

Maybe so, but Matt Schaub worked out OK (when he's not hurt). The difference is that all quarterbacks play better under Andy Reid than they do anywhere else.

And I know it was a different era and a different coaching staff, but Packers back-up QBs have a long track record of moving on to success as starters for other teams (Matt Hasselbeck, Mark Brunell, Aaron Brooks).

Or Doug Pederson.

 

[BrianGriffin]

I think, regardless of what happens next week against the Steelers, he deserves to have an entire off-season to work with the Broncos coaching staff on improving his passing. I think the Broncos should see who is available in the draft when they make their first and second round pick, but I would not waste a pick on someone unless you were convinced they were going to be special.

I just think the rush to laugh him out of the NFL is extreme. Blaine Gabbert was truly awful this year, and I believe he's had as many career starts as Tebow, and he played in a pass happy offense in college. This year he played with the NFL's leading rusher and he was still atrocious. Should the Jags just give up and abandon him without trying to improve him in any way?

Are people really convinced, with proper coaching, that Tim Tebow could never even be Alex Smith?

As for Matt Flynn, Kevin Kolb just called and he thinks that's a great idea.

They didn't work with him last year?

 

[Double Down]

I think they worked with him very little. He was third string for half the year. They worked with him not a lick this offseason, and were telling Mike Silver he was the 4th best QB in camp. How many reps do you think he got? Think he ever worked with the first unit while Orton was the starter?

Mini-camps matter. Reps matter.

 

[BrianGriffin]

If he wasn't getting reps in camp, Denver is the biggest waster of a draft pick money in the league.

Once the season started and game prep arrived, then yeah, the starter gets the bulk of the reps. But in mini-camp? In August camp? The guy's a first-round pick. They are working with him, or at least they should be.

 

[Herbert Anchovy]

Are we really going to argue like a bunch of schoolgirls about who said what however many weeks ago? I stand by what I said, erroneous or not. Again, I believe that we all had this pegged wrong at some point or another. And I think he has more than adequately proved that, right now, he isn't a very good player.

 

[BrianGriffin]

Herbert, I think the question is, what do you do with him going forward? Double Down seems to think he deserves to be handed the job and to prepare for next season as the starter. I say he deserves a chance to compete for the job with somebody who legitimately can be a starter in the NFL.

And, in the meantime, you plan on a contingency for how to take advantage of his talents if he isn't the starter. As mentioned before, I'd look for ways to use him at multiple positions.

 

[JC]

Herbert, I think the question is, what do you do with him going forward? Double Down seems to think he deserves to be handed the job and to prepare for next season as the starter. I say he deserves a chance to compete for the job with somebody who legitimately can be a starter in the NFL.

And, in the meantime, you plan on a contingency for how to take advantage of his talents if he isn't the starter. As mentioned before, I'd look for ways to use him at multiple positions.

I don't think Double Down said he deserved to be given the job.

 

[BrianGriffin]

Herbert, I think the question is, what do you do with him going forward? Double Down seems to think he deserves to be handed the job and to prepare for next season as the starter. I say he deserves a chance to compete for the job with somebody who legitimately can be a starter in the NFL.

And, in the meantime, you plan on a contingency for how to take advantage of his talents if he isn't the starter. As mentioned before, I'd look for ways to use him at multiple positions.

I don't think Double Down said he deserved to be given the job.

To be fair, he didn't say it in so many words. But he did say he deserved to "work with the coaching staff for a whole year" and when I asked him to explain that, he said he basically deserves starters reps' for a full year. That makes him the starter.

Now, to be fair, he basically also said that if they can get a difference-maker in the draft, they should. But who might they get? And do you draft a rookie and make him a starter?

 

[Herbert Anchovy]

Herbert, I think the question is, what do you do with him going forward? Double Down seems to think he deserves to be handed the job and to prepare for next season as the starter. I say he deserves a chance to compete for the job with somebody who legitimately can be a starter in the NFL.

And, in the meantime, you plan on a contingency for how to take advantage of his talents if he isn't the starter. As mentioned before, I'd look for ways to use him at multiple positions.

Somebody made the point the other day -- I think it was you, Brian -- that he's the only quarterback in the league who can get away with not one but a string of horrible passing performances, and retain his starting job. Look around at guys who have been benched, or who should be benched. Did Matt Leinart ever stink this much, to lose his job and pretty much not get a sniff since? Has even Sanchez sucked this badly? Guys who play this poorly are drummed out of the league pretty quickly.