here's what's in store for ichiro...

[zimbabwe]

The difference between "pedestrian" and "awesome" is 15-25 walks per season.

 

[shockey]

shock, I like you. So let me just say it this way.

Please stop. By the gods, just stop.

request granted. i'm done. especially since i've lost track of exactly what we're disagreeing about....

 

[Mizzougrad96]

shock, I like you. So let me just say it this way.

Please stop. By the gods, just stop.

request granted. i'm done. especially since i've lost track of exactly what we're disagreeing about....

You were arguing over whether Bert Blyleven loves to fart.

 

[Freelance Hack]

Boggs was a great hitter, no doubt. But he also played in a great hitter's park in the prime of his career, and it's reflected in his splits.

Home aver. .354, away .302
Home OBP .443, away .387
Home slug. 491, away 395
Home OPS .934, away .781.

Ichiro has played his entire career at Safeco, a very pitcher-friendly ballpark.

Greatness comes in many forms, and Ichiro's game is just one of its manifestations.

Fenway's rep as a hitter's park is overrated. Yeah, it's a hitter's park, but it's a light effect, not like Coors Field North. IIRC, Fenway increases batting average thanks to the wall, but decreases power, as sure HRs turn into singles and doubles. And while Safeco is a pitcher's park, the horrible, soul-sucking lineups the Mariners have fielded the past three years have probably skewed its total numbers and made it seem like more of a pitcher's park than it is.

Let's not forget that Boggs eventually played for the Yankees, which was set up almost the opposite as Fenway. Boggs ended up hitting well over .300 for them, too.

And Boggs wasn't just a singles hitter. He routinely hit 40+ doubles a season and always had good OPS stats. Yes, he took advantage of the Green Monster for some of his hits/doubles, but the man would have been a .330 hitter anywhere.

 

[CarltonBanks]

Boggs would slap doubles off the Monster all day if the pitchers pitched him outside. They never learned.

 

[JonnyD]

Let's not bring fetishes into this.

 

[shockey]

Batting .300 doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Any player who doesn't draw enough walks to have an OBP of at least .400 every single season is a garbage player, period.

Look at these numbers.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/suzukic01.shtml

Freaking pedestrian.

my apologies for posting after promising to leave this thread alone, but i had intended to look this up BEFORE bowing out. simply on the .400 obp or 'not worth a hill of beans' issue, these two hof right fielders weren't worth those beans, i suppose: al kaline's obp: .379 (ichiro: .373).

and this bum clemente? .359! slacker! walked 50 times in only three seasons, with a best of 56. .3-5-9!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/clemero01.shtml

just sayin'. now i'm REALLY out. sorry for adding this upon remembering....

 

[outofplace]

Batting .300 doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Any player who doesn't draw enough walks to have an OBP of at least .400 every single season is a garbage player, period.

Look at these numbers.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/suzukic01.shtml

Freaking pedestrian.

my apologies for posting after promising to leave this thread alone, but i had intended to look this up BEFORE bowing out. simply on the .400 obp or 'not worth a hill of beans' issue, these two hof right fielders weren't worth those beans, i suppose: al kaline's obp: .379 (ichiro: .373).

and this bum clemente? .359! slacker! walked 50 times in only three seasons, with a best of 56. .3-5-9!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/clemero01.shtml

just sayin'. now i'm REALLY out. sorry for adding this upon remembering....

Dude. Get your sarcasm detector checked. Fast.

 

[shockey]

i hear ya, but i still don't get where the sarcasm was in piotr's post. if it was intended and i grotesquely whiffed, my apologies to all. i'm red-faced, if that's the case... these numbers are somewhat interestingly, nonetheless, in that the author of the times story likely would've assailed clemente, too, back in the day... well, interesting to this dolt, anyway....

again, if i whiffed on the sarcastic intent, i'm sincerely embarrassed -- moreso considering i'm usually the most sarcastic deck in the room....

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Jeter in his prime vs. Ichiro in his prime.

I take Ichiro without even thinking about it.

 

[bigpern23]

What if you needed a shortstop?

 

[shockey]

Jeter in his prime vs. Ichiro in his prime.

I take Ichiro without even thinking about it.

we know how you feel about jeter, but ANYONE with a respectable baseball acumen takes the shortstop -- 'without even thinking.'