obviously i'll have something to say about this...

[Big Chee]

Big Chee

The victimization and the dishonesty (players scarred for life, season ruined) bothered me greatly. The ranting about people not knowing the "Rutgers story" and how they rebounded from a 40-point loss and overcame "mighty Duke" or whatever. It was a mistake to parade the young women out to an hourlong press conference, especially one in which you were going to act like a 66-year-old shock jock had just set race relations back 100 years by uttering words that are common place in our community. The whole thing seemed staged and a grab for attention. It in no way came across as someone trying to improve an overall situation.

Again, I'd like to know what makes Vivian Stringer above criticism? She's a basketball coach, and I've yet to meet a coach who isn't attention starved.

There's a difference between criticism and legitimate criticism. You admitted to knowing little about her, yet summed up her character as being something less than stellar. To me and many of us in here, its that type of criticism that lacks merit smartguy, because its baseless.

Also, hearing the eloquence coming from the mouths of some of the African American members of the Rutgers basketball team was refreshing and a far cry from the Monique and New York's of the world that flood the media.

And you actually believe that was a mistake?

Incredible.

i never summed up vivian's character. i wrote about what i thought of her handling of the imus situation... also, i was not amazed that a group of black college students knew how to speak proper english. i wasn't amazed by their "eloquence." i expected it. the black women i went to college with could all speak and write. i'm not trying to be sarcastic, but no one gave an "i had a dream" speech. all of this b.s. about how "eloquent" the players were is just that, b.s. they sounded like typical college students. what did you expect?... now i didn't get to see all of the question-and-answer segment. the last thing i remember seeing was one of the young women making the point that the meeting with imus "was important to the state of new jersey." i damn near fell out of my chair and wondered who had told these women that the future of new jersey was riding on their meeting with a shock jock.


can someone tell me why vivian stringer is above criticism?

So rather than gauging the merits of her speech, you're measuring who gave a damn about it? I wonder if you even heard her statements. You still haven't explained in depth what bothered you about her speech.

And another thing, anytime African American women have a chance to counter the body of negative images of them in the media at large is a GOOD THING. So it's bigger than the women both you and I happen to interact with on a daily basis if one is to believe that you're looking at the "big picture." I guess you must've forgotten that in this instance. :


But continue on your march Jason. You found your niche and discovered the formula for being plucked from relative obscurity or irrelevance and being transformed into a darling of the media. Simply repudiate all of the sociological evidence that connects social and economic marginalization with bad behavior and make blanket statements about how "forked up" black folks are. From Cosby sudden rise as the proper "conscience" of Black America to the articulate musings of Charles Barkley. You're currently in vogue my friend, and the African American community is better off because of it.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

In this particular instance, Jason, she is above criticism. Why? She didn't do anything wrong. She and her team were the victims and they were entitled to whatever public recourse they had in their own defense. You, on the other hand, have determined to judge not only her motives, but the ability of her players to come to the independent conclusion that they were wronged. That's mindreading, and guesswork, and talk-show pundit-speak, and that's all it is. She called you out on it. She had a right to do so.
Using virtually the same techniques, I have come to the conclusion that the reason you're breaking so much rock in defense of Imus's indefensible comments -- yes, you are -- is that, one day, when you get your own talk show, you prety much want to be able to say the same things without public consequence.

 

[Tom Petty]

In this particular instance, Jason, she is above criticism. Why? She didn't do anything wrong. She and her team were the victims and they were entitled to whatever public recourse they had in their own defense. You, on the other hand, have determined to judge not only her motives, but the ability of her players to come to the independent conclusion that they were wronged. That's mindreading, and guesswork, and talk-show pundit-speak, and that's all it is. She called you out on it. She had a right to do so.
Using virtually the same techniques, I have come to the conclusion that the reason you're breaking so much rock in defense of Imus's indefensible comments -- yes, you are -- is that, one day, when you get your own talk show, you prety much want to be able to say the same things without public consequence.

victims biscuit? really? victims? i really hate how easily that word gets thrown around nowadays.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

If you are slandered publicly, you are victims of that slander by any definition.

 

[Tom Petty]

If you are slandered publicly, you are victims of that slander by any definition.

wow dude. you're solid about 98 percent of the time, but victims? wow. i can't say some stupid old biscuit saying one stupid line on a morning show qualifies as victimization.

 

[da man]

I don't think Stringer is above criticism, but if you're going to criticize her for something, you need some evidence to back you up. Whitlock admittedly knew nothing about Stringer but proceeded to get inside her head and told us this was a staged attention-grab. His evidence? ``She's a basketball coach, and I've yet to meet a coach who isn't attention starved.'' That's a generalization and a big leap in logic. Those who know Stringer, including Claire Smith, seem to disagree with Whitlock.

Wonder who's right?

 

[spnited]

Not only does the wannabe King of Black America not really know Vivian Stringer, he knows absolutely nothing about what went on in the 9 or 10 days from the time Imus made his comment until Rutgers held its press conference to address the situation.

He has conveniently ignored or has been ignorant of the fact that no one at Rutgers had any comment for more than a week. He seems totally unaware that during that time there were many media requests for comment from Stringer, the RU administartion and from the players, who at times were being followed on campus by TV cameras and reporters.

Finally, after some players went home for Easter weekend and found reporters and TV cameras camped out at their families' homes hoping to get a response, Stringer, the players and the administration decide to make a formal statement about what had become a national story.

In typical Whitlock bullshirt fashion, these facts are never mentioned when the attention wart himsmelf accuses Stringer of orchestrating this whole thing just to bring attention to herself and her program.

 

[Big Chee]

Not only does the wannabe King of Black America not really know Vivian Stringer, he knows absolutely nothing about what went on in the 9 or 10 days from the time Imus made his comment until Rutgers held its press conference to address the situation.

He has conveniently ignored or has been ignorant of the fact that no one at Rutgers had any comment for more than a week. He seems totally unaware that during that time there were many media requests for comment from Stringer, the RU administartion and from the players, who at times were being followed on campus by TV cameras and reporters.

Finally, after some players went home for Easter weekend and found reporters and TV cameras camped out at their families' homes hoping to get a response, Stringer, the players and the administration decide to make a formal statement about what had become a national story.

In typical Whitlock bullshirt fashion, these facts are never mentioned when the attention wart himsmelf accuses Stringer of orchestrating this whole thing just to bring attention to herself and her program.

The word facts and Whitlock are polar opposites.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

If you are slandered publicly, you are victims of that slander by any definition.

wow dude. you're solid about 98 percent of the time, but victims? wow. i can't say some stupid old biscuit saying one stupid line on a morning show qualifies as victimization.

TP --
I think we're just tangled a bit in how serious a word we believe "victim" is. You seem to use it only in more severe circumstances than I would.

 

[shotglass]

So rather than gauging the merits of her speech, you're measuring who gave a damn about it? I wonder if you even heard her statements. You still haven't explained in depth what bothered you about her speech.

And another thing, anytime African American women have a chance to counter the body of negative images of them in the media at large is a GOOD THING. So it's bigger than the women both you and I happen to interact with on a daily basis if one is to believe that you're looking at the "big picture." I guess you must've forgotten that in this instance. :


But continue on your march Jason. You found your niche and discovered the formula for being plucked from relative obscurity or irrelevance and being transformed into a darling of the media. Simply repudiate all of the sociological evidence that connects social and economic marginalization with bad behavior and make blanket statements about how "forked up" black folks are. From Cosby sudden rise as the proper "conscience" of Black America to the articulate musings of Charles Barkley. You're currently in vogue my friend, and the African American community is better off because of it.

Hey, Chee, hit him with your wallet.

Oh, that's right.

He wouldn't feel it.

 

[Tom Petty]

If you are slandered publicly, you are victims of that slander by any definition.

wow dude. you're solid about 98 percent of the time, but victims? wow. i can't say some stupid old biscuit saying one stupid line on a morning show qualifies as victimization.

TP --
I think we're just tangled a bit in how serious a word we believe "victim" is. You seem to use it only in more severe circumstances than I would.

biscuit, you're back up to 100 percent "right-on-ness" with me.

 

[SoSueMe]

I'm not wading through 15 pages.

But a buddy sent me this link, not sure it's on here somewhere.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/etan-thomas/an-open-letter-to-jason-w_b_48247.html