Questions about Radomski's affidavit

[Fenian_Bastard]

I believe my interest in the steroid question is beginning to wane.

 

[cranberry]

Well, Radomski doesn't seem to be a particularly sophisticated PED peddler. I think we're going to find out that this guy liked bragging about all of the players he knew more than he actually knew them. Here's the lede from T.J. Quinn's story this morning:

Over the course of the past year, several major league baseball players got phone calls from steroid dealer Kirk Radomski and noted to themselves or others that the calls seemed "strange."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2007/05/01/2007-05-01_phone_calls_can_hang_up_hgh_players.html

The other thing I think we're going to find out is that we're dealing with roughly the same list of (redacted) names as in the Grimsley affidavit.

 

[Boom_70]

Well, Radomski doesn't seem to be a particularly sophisticated PED peddler. I think we're going to find out that this guy liked bragging about all of the players he knew more than he actually knew them. Here's the lede from T.J. Quinn's story this morning:

Over the course of the past year, several major league baseball players got phone calls from steroid dealer Kirk Radomski and noted to themselves or others that the calls seemed "strange."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2007/05/01/2007-05-01_phone_calls_can_hang_up_hgh_players.html

The other thing I think we're going to find out is that we're dealing with roughly the same list of (redacted) names as in the Grimsley affidavit.

Wonder if Radomski and Brian McNamee had any connection.

 

[creamora]

Trainer called major drug source
Grand jury transcript implicates as many as 23 people in Major League Baseball
Lance Williams, Mark Fainaru-Wada
San Francisco Chronicle Staff
Tuesday, May 1, 2007

More specifics regarding grand jury transcripts? Wonder if Fainaru-Wada and Williams got this information from the defense? Doesn't seem likely. The under cover investigators repeatedly had phone discussions about baseball players using steroids with Radomski and he was apparently a big fish who supplied large numbers of baseball players at the time. It's still confusing as to why the feds repeatedly purchased two types of steroids that would not be used by baseball players.

 

[John D. Villarreal]

Below is an excerpt for the AP article today by Paul Elias.

"In a 2005 court filing asking a judge to approve a warrant to search Radomski's house, investigators said a San Jose-based informant who claimed to have a MLB connection made five steroid buys from Radomski. Investigators also recorded numerous telephone calls between the informant and Radomski discussing steroids and baseball players."

Once again, Sustanon (a blend of testosterone esters) and Deca-Durabolin (nandrolone), the two steroids allegedly purchased from Radomski by the FBI informant in the case, are not used by baseball players. Nandrolone could not be used by a player even in the off-season because of the very long clearance time. It takes a minimum of six months and up to as long as eighteen months for nandrolone to become undetectable. No baseball player would ever take that chance.

Actually, C there are several reasons why baseball players (and other athletes) would use both drugs.

However, I don't want to put PED use info up here. One, because I don't support drug use. Two, because many of the haters will continue to trash us & the Villa army, but of course run with the info and try to claim it as their own without giving proper accreditation (as usual (fantastic journalism there)). We have seen this many times already.

John

 

[creamora]

The under cover source could have requested and possibly purchased testosterone propionate or oral testosterone undeconate or tersosterone suspension (water based) or others with a faster clearance. Why a form with much longer detectability?

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

 

[creamora]

Ex-batboy just the tip
Gwen Knapp
Today's Chronicle

A few interesting excerpts:

When 14 home runs separated Barry Bonds from Hank Aaron, the former batboy who turned to steroid dealing remained anonymous. By the time the number dropped to 13, the batboy-turned-dealer had entered a plea bargain and promised to sing about major-leaguers. He wasn't tuning up for "Take Me Out to the Ballgame.''

What next? When the number reaches 10, will another clubhouse insider be cutting a deal? When Bonds gets to five homers, will we learn the names on the ex-batboy's client list?

A popular theory holds that the feds should haul Bonds into court just as he is about to break Aaron's home-run record. It would be the perfect time to try to pin a perjury charge on him for what he said to a grand jury about doping 31/2 years ago. The record could be saved, the integrity of the game upheld -- or at least, the appearance of integrity.

The only question is whether the government, during its steroids investigations, is playing to win. So far, the answer is absolutely not. Prosecutors have effectively shaved points, going after mules like Radomski, now 37, and Greg Anderson, Bonds' personal trainer, and covering for the ballplayers.

The early BALCO documents had thick black lines all over them, through the names of athletes. When checks written to the lab were described in those affidavits, the sources were listed as "elite track and field athlete'' or "current NFL player.'' Radomski's affidavit has the same magic-marker graffiti everywhere. Next to a list of 23 canceled checks, ranging from $200 to $3,500, each identity has been wiped out. The sources are described as "MLB associated.''

The Attorney General supports torturing people who have never been convicted of a crime, so why does the Justice Department balk at embarrassing an elite athlete? This isn't reasonable discretion. It's jock-sniffing. It calls to mind all the times that an athlete has been let off for a crime and then signed autographs for the judge and jury.

Radomski, according to the affidavit, once boasted that he knew enough about doping Major League Baseball players to write a book that would make Jose Canseco's tattling autobiography, "Juiced,'' seem tame. The feds accomplished something by forcing Radomski to cooperate with George Mitchell's MLB-sponsored investigation. Care to bet how long it will take for that information to be released?

More likely, it will come out as a leak to the media, which will precipitate a whole lot of whining. Taxpayers have already picked up the tab for this investigation. They should know exactly what they paid for.

All the feds can claim now is that they've stifled the flow of drugs. But they haven't gone to the heart of the doping conspiracy. They busted a batboy. Granted, he's a grown man now, but he's still small prey.

Bonds is chasing something huge. He might taint the record books, but for all we know, Radomski was supplying players who could ultimately surpass Bonds. It's time to knock secrecy out of the park.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/05/01/SPGJ9PIDCR1.DTL

 

[creamora]

Football_bat,

You are simply wrong. The survey testing was done in 2003 and baseball players were tested for steroids in both 2004 and 2005. The fed's undercover source made the five purchases from Radomski in 2005. Detectablility was certainly an issue for baseball players in 2005.

 

[John D. Villarreal]

The under cover source could have requested and possibly purchased testosterone propionate or oral testosterone undeconate or tersosterone suspension (water based) or others with a faster clearance. Why a form with much longer detectability?

We can talk offline.

I am not saying your theory is wrong just that there is a legit alternative theory.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

How does Knapp conclude that the dealers are the "ittle fish and the ballplayers, who use but (likely) do not deal, are the grand prize? That's the opposite of every other drug sting I've ever heard of.

 

[creamora]

The athletes have always been the grand prize. The feds had simply been unable to turn anybody into their lil' bench until now. It's all about the court of public opinion now.