RIP: Jim Steinman

[Neutral Corner]

Ellen Foley made a great record with Ian Hunter, "We Gotta Get Out Of Here" which was a studio track on his terrific live album Welcome To The Club. Mick Jones had produced Hunter's previous studio album and Foley appears on that as does "Central Park and West" which basically reworks "Clampdown" into a tale of life on the upper west side.

I have to be one of the few people who heard Steinman's album Bad for Good, which he released after writing all the songs for the Bat Out of heck followup but Meat Loaf couldn't sing them after blowing his voice out on tour. As a singer he made a great producer and songwriter.

I kind of fell into a Mick Ronson rathole on Youtube over the last couple of days. Ronson was David Bowie's guitarist early on, from "Man who Sold the World" through "Ziggy Stardust" and "Aladdin Sane", and he also did some arranging for him, strings and horns and the like. He worked with Lou Reed on "Transformer", co-producing with Bowie. Did four albums with Ian Hunter, including guitar on the original version of "Once Bitten, Twice Shy", an old favorite of mine. Worked with a bunch of people over the years, pulled "Jack and Diane" off the trash heap for John Mellencamp, played on "All the Young Dudes". Toured with Van Morrison and in Dylan's Rolling Thunder Review. Worked with and produced early solo Morrisey, including perhaps his best work, "Your Arsenal".

He did some solo albums, which proved that he was a much better guitarist and right hand man than front man. There is a lot of interview footage on his early days with Bowie as a Spider from Mars on Youtube. Died of cancer when he was in his mid-40's. Interesting cat and a solid player.

 

[TigerVols]

Little known Ronson fact: he morphed into a country music producer and picker, and became a frequent performer at writers nights at the famed (and overrated in this man's opinion) Bluebird Cafe. In fact, on at least two occasions his pal David Bowie dropped by to hang with Ronson there while be was in town visiting his son, Duncan Jones, who was a student at Vandy.

 

[Starman]

If you try to ignore the vocals, Shania Twain records sound remarkably like Def Leppard records. Both are Mutt Lange.

(The guy who used to drive me nuts with this was Jeff Lynne. Every single artist he worked with just ended up sounding like ELO.)

Including the Beatles, although I suspect Paul McCartney kept a pretty heavy thumb on the knobs during the Anthology sessions, and "Real Love," the last and best of their beyond-the-grave songs, stuck closest to John's original demo with a couple of solos by George layered on top.

 

[cyclingwriter2]

I kind of fell into a Mick Ronson rathole on Youtube over the last couple of days. Ronson was David Bowie's guitarist early on, from "Man who Sold the World" through "Ziggy Stardust" and "Aladdin Sane", and he also did some arranging for him, strings and horns and the like. He worked with Lou Reed on "Transformer", co-producing with Bowie. Did four albums with Ian Hunter, including guitar on the original version of "Once Bitten, Twice Shy", an old favorite of mine. Worked with a bunch of people over the years, pulled "Jack and Diane" off the trash heap for John Mellencamp, played on "All the Young Dudes". Toured with Van Morrison and in Dylan's Rolling Thunder Review. Worked with and produced early solo Morrisey, including perhaps his best work, "Your Arsenal".

He did some solo albums, which proved that he was a much better guitarist and right hand man than front man. There is a lot of interview footage on his early days with Bowie as a Spider from Mars on Youtube. Died of cancer when he was in his mid-40's. Interesting cat and a solid player.

I also fell into a Ronson rabbit hole a few weeks back. He was the one who suggested the hand claps and the "don't let it rock, let it roll" bridge. The guy had some amazing talent.

 

[dixiehack]

Little known Ronson fact: he morphed into a country music producer and picker, and became a frequent performer at writers nights at the famed (and overrated in this man's opinion) Bluebird Cafe. In fact, on at least two occasions his pal David Bowie dropped by to hang with him there while be was in town visiting his son, Duncan Jones, who was a student at Vandy.

Bluebird was one of those Nashville places I never made it to, scoffing that it was "too touristy." Sometime after my rona lockdown ends next month I'm going to take a long weekend up there and indulge in all that crap I thought I was too cool for as a local-adjacent.

 

[Neutral Corner]

Meat Loaf Pays Tribute to Longtime Collaborator Jim Steinman

 

[Junkie]

I've always thought Jeff Lynne sucks.
And I mean he totally sucks. ELO, too.

YMMV. Carry on.

You suck. ELO Rulz!

Ok, ELO kind of sucks. But I enjoy them quite a bit. Something about symphonic compositions, mixing strings and synths, and cheesy pop hooks, and even disco beats for a while ... it was pure 70s. Much of which was awful, but also loveable. .

 

[Junkie]

Also, to bring this full circle, I saw ELO in 1981. The opening act? Ellen Foley. She also sucked. Too bad that bailiff gig on Night Court didn't pan out better.

 

[Jake from State Farm]

Also, to bring this full circle, I saw ELO in 1981. The opening act? Ellen Foley. She also sucked. Too bad that bailiff gig on Night Court didn't pan out better.

The Night Court people wanted Markie Post all along, but she was working on Hearts Afire with John Ritter
When that got canceled they dumped Foley for Post

 

[Junkie]

The Night Court people wanted Markie Post all along, but she was working on Hearts Afire with John Ritter
When that got canceled they dumped Foley for Post

Hearts Afire was after Night Court. ... Post was on The Fall Guy before NC. She was the only redeeming thing on that show.

 

[Jake from State Farm]

Hearts Afire was after Night Court. ... Post was on The Fall Guy before NC. She was the only redeeming thing on that show.

Thanks

 

[Neutral Corner]

ELO got bogged into a production rut after while, but the first time I ever heard them was the "Roll Over, Beethoven" cut from ELO II that started with Beethoven's 5th, and that was forking brilliant.