RIP Joe Lieberman, candidate for Vice President

[Brooklyn Bridge]

He also voted for the Iraq war. On the flip side, the guy who ran against him for Senate, Ned Lamont, is now CT's governor.

 

[DanOregon]

Respect the long service to our country, even choosing his friend McCain over party loyalties - but the No Labels stuff was idiotic. Particularly in the time of Trump.

 

[Twirling Time]

Gore chose Lieberman because Lieberman was a Clinton critic, and Gore was seeking to distance himself from Bubba.

Gore sorely underestimated Clinton's lingering popularity on leaving office. Thus the path from 9/11 to Iraq and Obama and the Tea Party and the 2016 capstone effort.

 

[garrow]

He also voted for the Iraq war. On the flip side, the guy who ran against him for Senate, Ned Lamont, is now CT's governor.

I really got into Lamont's campaign and was shocked and dismayed at his loss. Glad he recovered.

 

[DanOregon]

Gore chose Lieberman because Lieberman was a Clinton critic, and Gore was seeking to distance himself from Bubba.

Gore sorely underestimated Clinton's lingering popularity on leaving office. Thus the path from 9/11 to Iraq and Obama and the Tea Party and the 2016 capstone effort.

I think Gore was really hurt by the inevitability of his nomination. His campaign was really bad, they made a lot of bad decisions. Its tough running as a sitting veep, wanting to get "credit" for work done in the previous Administration, while also forging a new path - but I never understood the "narrative" of his campaign. I think "lockbox" hiring Naomi Wolf to choose your wardrobe, the general stiffness - Gore really could have used a "leaked" tape of him telling an off-color joke or something.

 

[Songbird]

Voters were scared about having to watch more of Al's Elaine'ing.

 

[LanceyHoward]

Gore chose Lieberman because Lieberman was a Clinton critic, and Gore was seeking to distance himself from Bubba.

Gore sorely underestimated Clinton's lingering popularity on leaving office. Thus the path from 9/11 to Iraq and Obama and the Tea Party and the 2016 capstone effort.

I read Gore believes that he lost the 2000 election because the Republicans tied him to Clinton's behavior. Clinton believes that if he had run he could have beat Bush by 10 points, despite said behavioral problems, because as a campaigner he could have talked his way out of the scandals. I believe both statements are correct.

 

[DanOregon]

Say one thing about Clinton - he wasn't shy about leaning in when it came to taking on Republicans rhetorically. Of course his legislative record is one of caving and seeking the middle path and calling it a win. A charming guy, but seemed more hell-bent on being popular than accomplishing meaningful change.

 

[poindexter]

Flash forward 20 years, her son, my uncle, then 84, was out making his daily 20 mile ride on a recumbent bike -- selected on doctor's' advice to reduce the chances of falls -- he had undergone a double hip replacement in his early 70s and recovered to pretty much full strength.

I'm no doctor, but I would never recommend a recumbent bike to anyone who bikes in traffic. Literally every time I see one, I am horrified thinking how dangerous it looks.

 

[poindexter]

I read Gore believes that he lost the 2000 election because the Republicans tied him to Clinton's behavior.

How incredibly quaint that sounds in 2024.

 

[Regan MacNeil]

Not really. If a Democrat were involved in a sex scandal now, it would be BREAKING NEWS on all the news nets. Above the fold 1A NYT.

It's Republicans who face no consequences for their behavior.

 

[swingline]

My grandmother fell and broke a hip at age 98. The doctors repaired it, she went through rehab and got back up to walking with a cane. Then she got hit with a couple kinds of cancer and died three months after her 99th. She had had a couple cancer bouts before but had been cancer free 15 years or so.

Flash forward 20 years, her son, my uncle, then 84, was out making his daily 20 mile ride on a recumbent bike -- selected on doctor's' advice to reduce the chances of falls -- he had undergone a double hip replacement in his early 70s and recovered to pretty much full strength.

Instead he gets hit by a car, necessitating another hip replacement. Within a year, he's back to walking with a cane, but shortly thereafter, he starts showing early signs of Alzheimer's, a battle which lasted five years.

Five years later, his sister, my aunt, fell and broke a hip at age 87. She also did rehab to the point of getting up on a walker but then congestive heart failure got her.

Doctors told us in all three cases they didn't think the falls and hip fractures were directly causative to the deaths, but recovering from that whole sequence is a huge strain on your body at any age and "couldn't have been helpful."

One thing I've wondered about for years: Do you fall and then break the hip, or do you break the hip and then fall?