Ukraine Always Get What You Want

[Justin_Rice]

Negotiating.

Realistically negotiating. Should have been doing it two years ago.

"Negotiating"

So like: "Russia please abide by the terms of the UN charter and the NNPT and withdraw back to the 2014 borders and then we'll lift sanctions."

Like that?

Or did you mean "come up with amount of territory you're willing to cede after Russia took it by force"?

 

[BTExpress]

And we're back where we started. Ukraine WILL cede land. Regardless of how many levels of wrong it may seem, that WILL happen. Failure to acknowledge it makes further discussion pointless.

 

[Justin_Rice]

And we're back where we started. Ukraine WILL cede land. Regardless of how many levels of wrong it may seem, that WILL happen. Failure to acknowledge it makes further discussion pointless.

Why will they? Who is desperate to quit at this point, other than Donald Trump?

What's more: Russia's stated conditions for peace are "Ukraine disarms and surrenders its sovereignty forever."

 

[BTExpress]

That's their stated conditions now. As always, it's an outrageous opening bid that eventually will come down.

A year ago I was offered $1,000 by my insurance company that amazingly came up to $36,000 at mediation.

 

[dixiehack]

And we're back where we started. Ukraine WILL cede land. Regardless of how many levels of wrong it may seem, that WILL happen. Failure to acknowledge it makes further discussion pointless.

Needs more shoe banging.

 

[I Should Coco]

Needs more shoe banging.

Would Putin come to Iowa and eat a hot dog or two?

 

[BTExpress]

Only if sour cream is offered as a condiment.

 

[Justin_Rice]

That's their stated conditions now. As always, it's an outrageous opening bid that eventually will come down.

A year ago I was offered $1,000 by my insurance company that amazingly came up to $36,000 at mediation.

So they'd settle for a precedent-breaking, treaty-defying agreement to just let them keep a little bit of Ukraine?

Man! That is really gracious of them!

Exactly who is clamoring for this deal to be made, other than Russia, Belarus, and Donald Trump?

 

[BTExpress]

I don't really see Russia or Belarus clamoring for any deal, but . . .

Maybe the Ukrainian people would like to see a deal made. They rejected lowering the conscription age from 25 to 18 (It used to be 27 --- how many people even know their conscription age is so high?) despite an urgent need for more men. Not to mention the 18-25 age group is the nation's weakest in numbers---which means in a few years the conscription-age group will be the weakest. Mothers are sending their kids abroad to avoid military service when they come of age. And 46% of Ukrainians say there is no shame in draft dodging. Seems, uh, rather high for a nation fighting for its existence.

Why Do Ukrainians Oppose Lowering The Conscription Age?

Suggestions by U.S. politicians that Ukraine lower the conscription age from 25 to 18 are deeply unpopular in the country.

www.rferl.org

 

[Justin_Rice]

Maybe the Ukrainian people would like to see a deal made. They rejected lowering the conscription age from 25 to 18 (It used to be 27 --- how many people even know their conscription age is so high?) despite an urgent need for more men. Not to mention the 18-25 age group is the nation's weakest in numbers. Mothers are sending their kids abroad to avoid military service when they come of age. And 46% of Ukrainians say there is no shame in draft dodging. Seems, uh, rather high for a nation fighting for its existence.

Why Do Ukrainians Oppose Lowering The Conscription Age?

Suggestions by U.S. politicians that Ukraine lower the conscription age from 25 to 18 are deeply unpopular in the country.

www.rferl.org

Maybe the people of Russia want to quit, but they're afraid of being thrown out a window?

Nevertheless the duly elected government of Ukraine says they want to fight on, and the soldiers on the front line aren't quitting en masse.

So I'll continue to stand with them, for as long as they're willing to stand, until Russia gets the fork back inside its borders.

 

[BTExpress]

No, you'll stand 5,500 miles away from them. With the rest of America.

 

[Justin_Rice]

No, you'll stand 5,500 miles away from them. With the rest of America.

Better I stand with them from 5,000 miles away, than your attempt to surrender on their behalf from 5,000 miles away.

Approximately how much energy do you spend trying to convince Russia's supporters they should quit invading?