Yet another baseball scoring question

[Walter_Sobchak]

In high school baseball, you can get the win and the save.
The (b) rule doesn't work in this situation because the starter became the shortstop or whatever position, then went back to the mound as a reliever. So while he is the same physical player, he is not the same, if that makes sense.

Absolutely wrong. Of course he's the same player. The only reason he's allowed to return to pitch is because he never left the game. Same would apply, if a similar switch ever happened in MLB.

 

[Rhody31]

In high school baseball, you can get the win and the save. The (b) rule doesn't work in this situation because the starter became the shortstop or whatever position, then went back to the mound as a reliever. So while he is the same physical player, he is not the same, if that makes sense.

Says who?

Logic.
Johnny Hardthrower comes in to start, then goes to play shortstop. Johnny Hardthrower the starter is still eligible to earn the win. Reliver A gets hit a little, turns the game into a save situation, and now Johnny Hardthrower the reliever comes in and is eligible for the save. He is the same physical person, but as far as the scorebook goes, he is different.

 

[Walter_Sobchak]

Yes, but the rule is "He is not the winning pitcher." I don't see how this could be any more clear.

 

[Rhody31]

Yes, but the rule is "He is not the winning pitcher." I don't see how this could be any more clear.

Because in this situation, he is the winning pitcher in name only. The starting pitcher earned the win and the reliever earned the save.

 

[spnited]

Logic?
In other words, Rhody, you're making it up as you go along.

Show me some high school federation rule that supports your extremely faulty logic, and I'll concede the point. Minus that... you can not get a win and a save in the same game.

 

[forever_town]

Yes, but the rule is "He is not the winning pitcher." I don't see how this could be any more clear.

Because in this situation, he is the winning pitcher in name only. The starting pitcher earned the win and the reliever earned the save.

Uh, no. In the example Johnny Hardthrower starts the game as a pitcher, then goes to shortstop when Billy Podunk comes in to pitch in relief. Then Billy Podunk turns the game into a save situation and Johnny Hardthrower comes back in to pitch again and finishes the game.

Johnny Hardthrower gets the win and ONLY the win. He does not get the save. No one gets the save. Billy Podunk gets nothing and likes it.

 

[KP]

Couldn't we have just one running baseball scoring questions thread?

AMEN!

 

[Seahawk]

No save, ever, for the winning pitcher. No too hard to understand.

 

[chilidog75]

Yes, but the rule is "He is not the winning pitcher." I don't see how this could be any more clear.

Because in this situation, he is the winning pitcher in name only. The starting pitcher earned the win and the reliever earned the save.

Boy, I must have missed a logic class in college. "In name only"? That's like saying, "Well, he was wearing No. 5 when he started and then he changed jerseys and he was wearing No. 10 when he finished. So No. 5 should get the win and No. 10 should get the save ... even though it was the same person in different jerseys!"

That makes no sense whatsoever.

You can only get one decision per game. If you get the win, you can't get the save. Period. Substitution rules, which differ by league, are completely irrelevant.

And Harley, if you're "bending" the rules to award a win and save to the same player ... you're wrong. You're making up your own scoring decision, even though it's already covered in the rules.

It's a dumb rule.
Why on earth wouldn't this kid be eligible to get the save????
Any other kid on his team comes in in that situation and it's a save.

Just because it's written that he can't be the winning pitcher and earn the save doesn't mean the rule makes any damn sense.

He performed well enough to get the win. Then he came on, and SAVED the game for his team. He was a relief pitcher. Or I guess he was just a starter that took two innings off before finishing off his win. Whatever. Dumb rule.

 

[Rhody31]

Because I hate losng arguments, I e-mailed STATS, INC.
I got a response.

If a pitcher moved to RF for example and then came back to get the final out all the save requirements are in place as if he
just appeared in the game for the first time.

So yes, you can get a win and a save.

 

[BertoltBrecht]

You know what chili, you can give him the save.

 

[chilidog75]

You know what chili, you can give him the save.

Sweet.
But does the other pitcher get a "hold?"
That's the real question.