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California Wildfires running thread

Imagine any of you - you wake on Tuesday morning and your life is fine. By Tuesday night, your house and all of your possessions are gone. And the block where you live. Obliterated like a neutron bomb.

I can't hit like on that, but the pictures of Palisades were just pitiful. Then you read the list of people whose homes burned, like Anthony Hopkins. He and his wife owned two houses, both gone now... and he previously had a home in London which burned. So many folks homes and lives just wiped away. So sad.
 
California is a state of nearly 40 million people, but the scale of this fire is putting the degrees of separation at a very small amount. Guy I work with had a friend lose his house. I should text my former principal, but I'm scared to find out (I'm pretty sure he's south and east of this, but still).

All that to say, the scale of this is hard to fathom and we've had some bad fires in the state in the last 10 years. The Santa Rosa fire comes to mind. But this just has everyone on edge.

Feel so bad for my SoCal brethren. And positive vibes going out to you Poin.
 
There'll be time for the blame game later, but the aftermath of this is going to be fascinating to watch.

Besides the problems with insurance, there are already lots of horror stories about the 500 different city and state agencies in Los Angeles and California who are notorious for delaying and denying construction permits, or making it insanely expensive because of onerous regulations.
At the same time, there are an equal number of groups for which destroying large swaths of a major city like L.A. is a wet dream, because it will allow them to rebuild it in their own vision — little or no car access, more high-rises and fewer single-family homes, totally green energy sources, environmental protections, etc. And those groups have both the ear and in many cases the reins of city and state government. This is a once in a century opportunity for them to wipe the board clean of every single obstacle that's been in their way for decades. I doubt they let it pash without trying to make their vision a reality.

Some of those new ideas might not be bad. Fixing California's ancient electric transmission towers and power grid alone could probably stop half of these fires from happening. But they're also going to run head-on into people's desire to quickly rebuild. I heard someone say it often takes several years to get a building permit. How long is it going to take for someone to get one when 100,000 other people are flooding the office with applications?
Karen Bash said she'll try to cut red tape, which ought to be a laugh line in a state that produces it as a leading industry, but what about the state-level stuff like environmental studies? You think the people who live on the beach in Malibu are going to have their expensive new homes rubber-stamped? Or will the California Coastal Commission (among others) find a reason to put the kibosh on it indefinitely?

Basically, rebuilding is not going to be as easy as getting insurance money and finding someone to build a new house. A lot of people might not do it. I'm sure plenty of property owners who were already growing disenchanted or don't want to go through the hashle will be bought out and leave the city or the state. Others who do rebuild — including more than a few who are very rich and politically connected — are about to be smacked around by the monster that is government bureaucracy. How do they respond?
There's a lot of anger toward the mayor and governor now, but will it last until they face re-election in a couple of years?

Lots of stuff to watch down the road. That can wait a few weeks at least, though, until the flames are out.
 
There'll be time for the blame game later, but the aftermath of this is going to be fascinating to watch.

Besides the problems with insurance, there are already lots of horror stories about the 500 different city and state agencies in Los Angeles and California who are notorious for delaying and denying construction permits, or making it insanely expensive because of onerous regulations.
At the same time, there are an equal number of groups for which destroying large swaths of a major city like L.A. is a wet dream, because it will allow them to rebuild it in their own vision — little or no car access, more high-rises and fewer single-family homes, totally green energy sources, environmental protections, etc. And those groups have both the ear and in many cases the reins of city and state government. This is a once in a century opportunity for them to wipe the board clean of every single obstacle that's been in their way for decades. I doubt they let it pash without trying to make their vision a reality.

Some of those new ideas might not be bad. Fixing California's ancient electric transmission towers and power grid alone could probably stop half of these fires from happening. But they're also going to run head-on into people's desire to quickly rebuild. I heard someone say it often takes several years to get a building permit. How long is it going to take for someone to get one when 100,000 other people are flooding the office with applications?
Karen Bash said she'll try to cut red tape, which ought to be a laugh line in a state that produces it as a leading industry, but what about the state-level stuff like environmental studies? You think the people who live on the beach in Malibu are going to have their expensive new homes rubber-stamped? Or will the California Coastal Commission (among others) find a reason to put the kibosh on it indefinitely?

Basically, rebuilding is not going to be as easy as getting insurance money and finding someone to build a new house. A lot of people might not do it. I'm sure plenty of property owners who were already growing disenchanted or don't want to go through the hashle will be bought out and leave the city or the state. Others who do rebuild — including more than a few who are very rich and politically connected — are about to be smacked around by the monster that is government bureaucracy. How do they respond?
There's a lot of anger toward the mayor and governor now, but will it last until they face re-election in a couple of years?

Lots of stuff to watch down the road. That can wait a few weeks at least, though, until the flames are out.
darn those green energy sources.
 
Imagine if California enacted a law barring people from rebuilding in some of these areas due to the risk, similar to building in a flood plain. I'm sure there would be outrage.

And I'm really looking forward to seeing how the disaster relief package for the fire is crafted. Probably a few amendments that will only give money to agencies that don't have DEI programs or even recycling
 
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The Trumpsreich is going to use this as an opportunity to bare-knuckle Newsom personally and the Democratic Party in California in general straight down to the ground.

Their primary argument is that government does not work. They'll kick into warp drive to make certain of it -- and blame it all on the Dems.

So yeah, whatever effective relief or recovery measures are coming from the federal government, they're coming in nine days. After that, they'll be roadblocked and stonewalled cold.
 
One problem for rebuilding in LA that has nothing to do with government. Eventually, it will rain. When it does, the burnt areas will suffer major mudslides.
 
The Trumpsreich is going to use this as an opportunity to bare-knuckle Newsom personally and the Democratic Party in California in general straight down to the ground.

Their primary argument is that government does not work. They'll kick into warp drive to make certain of it -- and blame it all on the Dems.

So yeah, whatever effective relief or recovery measures are coming from the federal government, they're coming in nine days. After that, they'll be roadblocked and stonewalled cold.

In that case, the Dems need to grow a pair and tell the Trumpists that forever going forth, when tornadoes destroys the Bible Belt, they'll tell the storm victims to beg their deity for help since those bibles in schools didn't keep the storms away.
 
Not to get too much into this, but what are fully functioning, constantly flowing fire hydrants going to do to fast-moving wildfires? Would they save even one house? A fire hydrant couldn't save a whole neighborhood that for some reason was burning in normal conditions.

Not to say it isn't an issue if a single house caught on fire (or if for some reason that one fire started to spread) and shouldn't be fixed, but in this situation it is just lipstick on a pig.
 
Not to get too much into this, but what are fully functioning, constantly flowing fire hydrants going to do to fast-moving wildfires? Would they save even one house? A fire hydrant couldn't save a whole neighborhood that for some reason was burning in normal conditions.

Not to say it isn't an issue if a single house caught on fire (or if for some reason that one fire started to spread) and shouldn't be fixed, but in this situation it is just lipstick on a pig.

It's the latest round of the country evolving toward Idiocracy. The Right Wing uses anything for an I told you so and the people lack critical thinking to say "I don't think that's right." Instead we have things that look bad: hydrants and a reservoir that was emptied for repairs (yes, even giant holes in the ground need to be maintained) and whenever smart people say "well, actually" they're shouted down. These are the same idiots who think DEI is taking jobs.
 

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