Meanwhile on the International front....

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Just saw a Wall Street Journal push notification that Iran helped plan the attack and gave the green light to proceed at a meeting last Monday. That seems less than good.

Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks — The Wall Street Journal

 

[britwrit]

I'm good with that, but once the Israelis clean up the breakouts in short order, it will became a Gaza slaughter. The proverbial fish in a very dense barrel.

I am very ambivalent about that. And by ambivalent I mean HELL NO to mash slaughter of innocent Gaza civilians. Give proven non-combatants a free pash to Egypt or the West Bank. After that, I'm OK with turning Gaza into a parking lot that Jerry Jones would be proud of.

It's almost as if Hamas planned this to derail a Saudi peace deal.

 

[matt_garth]

 

[TrooperBari]

Just saw a Wall Street Journal push notification that Iran helped plan the attack and gave the green light to proceed at a meeting last Monday. That seems less than good.

Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks — The Wall Street Journal

I'm seeing a fair bit of criticism about the sourcing on that WSJ piece. It's hard to envision Iran having no role at all, but I worry that overstating Iran's role in all this plays into the hands of those agitating for war with Iran.

 

[Regan MacNeil]

The people of Israel believe they have to refuse to back down. They believe they can't show weakness. They are probably right about that, too.

Tomorrow, I will meet a 21-year-old Israeli military veteran who has been drafted back into service. The next day, he will fly home. He has friends who are already fighting. He will be joining them very soon. I have no idea what I will say to him. I'm darn sure that if the current situation comes up, I will show nothing but support for Israel. I'm darn sure that I won't bring up the notion that Israel did anything to cause what Hamas did. I doubt anyone here would, either.

I wouldn't. Nor would I try to explain to an average Palestinian person how the horror they're about to endure, even more so than usual, is their own fault for empowering Hamas.

 

[Driftwood]

National ashociation for Stock Car Auto Racing

 

[Azrael]

Just saw a Wall Street Journal push notification that Iran helped plan the attack and gave the green light to proceed at a meeting last Monday. That seems less than good.

Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks — The Wall Street Journal

It's almost as if Hamas planned this to derail a Saudi peace deal.

I'm seeing a fair bit of criticism about the sourcing on that WSJ piece. It's hard to envision Iran having no role at all, but I worry that overstating Iran's role in all this plays into the hands of those agitating for war with Iran.

Just read the story.

The sourcing is pretty thin, and of course, anonymous. Official denials begin in the third graf.

So the usual contradictory dispatch from the Middle East.

That said, Iran has been aiding and abetting Hamas and Hezbollah et al for years.

But I'd guess the timing had as much to do with the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur war as anything.

 

[Azrael]

good updates here

Maps: Tracking the Attacks in Israel and Gaza

Israel-Gaza War: Israel Orders 'Complete Siege' of Gaza as Troops Battle to Secure Border Areas

and here

Hamas and Israel at war: what we know on day 3

and here

How Hamas duped Israel as it planned devastating attack

 

[Songbird]

Seeing plenty of Twitter chatter about this, but haven't seen much actual reporting on it.
Same with reports that Hamas is beheading captured Israel soldiers (although there are reportedly videos and photos of that circulating around).

תזדיין, גלה

 

[Songbird]

National ashociation for Stock Car Auto Racing

I am chairman of Chrysler Corporation of America.

The Iacocca.

 

[Azrael]

Just read the story.

The sourcing is pretty thin, and of course, anonymous. Official denials begin in the third graf.

So the usual contradictory dispatch from the Middle East.

That said, Iran has been aiding and abetting Hamas and Hezbollah et al for years.

But I'd guess the timing had as much to do with the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur war as anything.

 

[Songbird]

Iran is going to deny any involvement now that Americans are among the hostages.