Meanwhile on the International front....

[Azrael]

I think Iran already denied involvement.

Iran denies it had role in Hamas attack on Israel, claims accusation is 'political'

Iran denies its security forces 'helped plan Hamas attack on Israel'

 

[outofplace]

I wouldn't. Nor would I try to explain to an average Palestinian person how the horror they're about to endure, even more so than usual, is their own fault for empowering Hamas.

That's what war is. People tend to forget that.

https://www.americanyawp.com/reader/19-american-empire/mark-twain-the-war-prayer-ca-1904-5/

 

[HanSenSE]

Iran is going to deny any involvement now that Americans are among the hostages.

Ready to help.

 

[Neutral Corner]

 

[Azrael]

Violence begets violence begets violence ad infinitum

 

[outofplace]

good updates here

Maps: Tracking the Attacks in Israel and Gaza

Israel-Gaza War: Israel Orders 'Complete Siege' of Gaza as Troops Battle to Secure Border Areas

and here

Hamas and Israel at war: what we know on day 3

and here

How Hamas duped Israel as it planned devastating attack

The attack on the music festival by Hamas is an important detail to keep in mind. This was all about targeting civilians.

 

[doctorquant]

Sometimes I have to remind myself how cheek by jowl the belligerents are when violence breaks out in that part of the world.

 

[doctorquant]

Violence begets violence begets violence ad infinitum

Surely he didn't mean to say, essentially, "I trust the people who see the world the way I see it." If he did mean to say that, surely he doesn't think that's somehow an admirable habit.

 

[Azrael]

Surely he didn't mean to say, essentially, "I trust the people who see the world the way I see it." If he did mean to say that, surely he doesn't think that's somehow an admirable habit.

I think he means to say he trusts the judgment of writers and reporters and activists on both sides of the wall - and the argument - to describe pretty honestly the state of things.

It's become harder and harder not to use that word.

For what it's worth, Jeff's a very good writer and reporter himself.

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

 

[Azrael]

oof

 

[doctorquant]

I hope for his sake that Mr. Marshall ... how is it they say it now? ... kept his receipts.