Oklahoma State coach Gundy blasts Oklahoman columnist

[Piotr Rasputin]

There is no greater sports-related Internet scourge than the message board fanboy.

 

[SixToe]

I was accurate in both posts.

I know what he said. He said he didn't want any coverage of him (not the team).

 

[JerrySix]

Yes, but Jerry, you need to show a little less bias.

Bias?

I was born and live in Los Angeles.
I was raised in New York City.
Went to UCLA for undergrad and USC for grad school.
I have never been to an Oklahoma State game.
I am not connected to anyone from OK State in any way, shape or form.

So what's my bias?

It interesting that asking for accuracy in our profession is tantamount to being biased.

Jeez... And we wonder why there is a disconnect.

 

[sportschick]

There is no greater sports-related Internet scourge than the message board fanboy.

Esp. when they try to deny their obvious fanboydom.

 

[JerrySix]

There is no greater sports-related Internet scourge than the message board fanboy.

Esp. when they try to deny their obvious fanboydom.

Jenni Carlson wrote a ship column.
Gundy was an ashhat.

It's easy for me to criticize both. But to criticize Carlson on this board seems to imply support for Gundy.

Fair enough.

But... rather than look at how certain people (sportwriters) allow thier personal feelings to create ridiculous biases in their writing, it's easier to brush off such criticisms as the rantings of a fanboy.

Got it. Go with that if it makes you sleep better at night. But the fact remains that until a few in our profession regain some of their intellectual honesty (and can remember what it was like to be objective), then our profession will continue to lose respect.

Whitlock and Gene Wojo, and a few others got it right. Too bad more of you didn't.

 

[Ira_Schoffel]

There is no greater sports-related Internet scourge than the message board fanboy.

Esp. when they try to deny their obvious fanboydom.

Jenni Carlson wrote a ship column.
Gundy was an ashhat.

It's easy for me to criticize both. But to criticize Carlson on this board seems to imply support for Gundy.

Fair enough.

But... rather than look at how certain people (sportwriters) allow thier personal feelings to create ridiculous biases in their writing, it's easier to brush off such criticisms as the rantings of a fanboy.

Got it. Go with that if it makes you sleep better at night. But the fact remains that until a few in our profession regain some of their intellectual honesty (and can remember what it was like to be objective), then our profession will continue to lose respect.

Whitlock and Gene Wojo, and a few others got it right. Too bad more of you didn't.

Preach it!

 

[hondo]

Christ, not that "they never played the game," about the media.
Football is a pretty simple game. Coaches try to make it as complicated as possible to cover their ashes and create the illusion, as Jim Mora so eloquently put it, that "we won't know and we can't know."
Guess what coaches ... we do know, and so do most of your knowledgable fans who watch and attend games. And that scares the crap out of you.

Mora's tirade was in reference to a question about the team's pash rush. And his response was, "You may think you know pash rush ... but you ... don't ... know ... and you never ... will."

There's a difference? I asked a defensive end at a top-10 D1 team one time what the secret to being a good pash rusher was. He said,and I'm not making this up: "I just hit the guys dressed different."

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Yes, but Jerry, you need to show a little less bias.

Bias?

I was born and live in Los Angeles.
I was raised in New York City.
Went to UCLA for undergrad and USC for grad school.
I have never been to an Oklahoma State game.
I am not connected to anyone from OK State in any way, shape or form.

So what's my bias?

It interesting that asking for accuracy in our profession is tantamount to being biased.

Jeez... And we wonder why there is a disconnect.

"Our" profession?
This is very doubtful.

 

[lawoman]

There is no greater sports-related Internet scourge than the message board fanboy.

Esp. when they try to deny their obvious fanboydom.

Jenni Carlson wrote a ship column.
Gundy was an ashhat.

It's easy for me to criticize both. But to criticize Carlson on this board seems to imply support for Gundy.

Fair enough.

But... rather than look at how certain people (sportwriters) allow thier personal feelings to create ridiculous biases in their writing, it's easier to brush off such criticisms as the rantings of a fanboy.

Got it. Go with that if it makes you sleep better at night. But the fact remains that until a few in our profession regain some of their intellectual honesty (and can remember what it was like to be objective), then our profession will continue to lose respect.

Whitlock and Gene Wojo, and a few others got it right. Too bad more of you didn't.

Amen to that! Whitlock and Wojo nailed it. I especially liked Wojo's part about the disconnect. It's for real. I see it more and more in my daily work.

And I definitely see it on this board.

And I'm completely blown away by it -- it's not as though our profession is riding high and in the power seat.

Some things have got to change. Just b/c you want to treat your college athlete subjects the same was as you treat your pros, doesn't mean your readers will accept that sort of coverage. There is a bigger picture here. I mean we navigate these waters all the time in our news departments using community norms, expectations, etc. to determine our practices -- the naming of suspects, victims in crime stories, acceptable language etc. etc ...

 

[wickedwritah]

What is this "disconnect" of which you all speak?

Is it our job to be fanboyish because readers want us to be?

Should we be waving pom-poms for Bobby Reid?

 

[Your Huckleberry]

I cant read this thread anymore. It's making my eyes go bad. Can't we all just get along??

 

[ADifferentOkie]

I cant read this thread anymore. It's making my eyes go bad. Can't we all just get along??

THAT'S GARBAGE! AND THE PERSON WHO LET IT COME OUT IS GARBAGE!
THAT'S WHY I DON'T READ THIS MESSAGE BOARD -- BECAUSE IT'S GARBAGE!