Roe v. Wade to be overturned?

[Neutral Corner]

You're funny. Did you really think they were going to walk their talk?

Nah. Just bitching.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

Here's the first post of the oldest thread I could find here on Roe v. Wade from May 2008:

What makes anyone think Roe v. Wade will be overturned?

And this was my first post on that thread. And 14 years later, the Republicans are now going to have to see what it's like to be on defense after they have their stupid Mission Accomplished party. That is, if the Dems do anything besides a bunch of strongly-worded statements.

"My feelings about the abortion issue are this: it seems like the pro-life (or antiabortion or however you want to call it) is so fixated on celebrating if they ever get their wish and that Roe vs. Wade is overturned. To me, they don't seem to think about what would happen after it was overturned.
I said this on another thread, but let's say the pro-lifers get what they want and abortion is banned nationwide except for cases of rape, incest and the mother's life and health. There are roughly 4,000 abortions daily.

Let's say, if abortion is banned, this is what happens in 99.9 percent of the 4,000 cases: 1. An abortion happens for the exceptions mentioned above. 2. The women carry the fetus to term. 3. A woman has an illegal abortion and comes out of it healthy, or 4. A woman has an illegal abortion, and is injured, but not killed. This leaves the 0.1 percent, or four women a day, DYING from an illegal abortion.

Now, you would figure it would be on the news every single day that four women are dying from a back-alley abortion. This isn't 1950 anymore. There is considerably more media coverage of sex issues. Imagine also, instead of protests on Washington with pictures of fetuses, there are pictures of daughters held by parents with signs saying "She would be alive, if abortion was legal."

To me, that's the Pandora's box for the pro-lifers. They could then claim that the women deserved to die for having an abortion, but, then they couldn't claim to be pro-life. That would make them anti-abortion, which, to me, if your're against it, don't have one."

 

[wicked]

I'd argue Obama whiffed on two by not coaxing RBG to retire (she's partly responsible for this too btw)

The vote was 6-3. I doubt RBG or a replacement would've coaxed Roberts over to their side or moderated his position, like he did on the ACA. The rest of your post is spot on.

I think a bit of the midterm apathy is traced to gerrymandering. Probably 80 percent of House seats are already decided. Probably 60 percent of Senate seats lean one way. Doug Jones in Alabama/Warnock and Ossoff in Georgia/Scott Brown in Mass. are the exception. All three happened because of exceptional circumstances (horrible candidates or a president doing everything he could to suppress runoff turnout).

 

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[Kato]

The vote was 6-3. I doubt RBG or a replacement would've coaxed Roberts over to their side or moderated his position, like he did on the ACA. The rest of your post is spot on.

I think a bit of the midterm apathy is traced to gerrymandering. Probably 80 percent of House seats are already decided. Probably 60 percent of Senate seats lean one way. Doug Jones in Alabama/Warnock and Ossoff in Georgia/Scott Brown in Mass. are the exception. All three happened because of exceptional circumstances (horrible candidates or a president doing everything he could to suppress runoff turnout).

You might be right, but at 5-4 Roberts might have convinced the court not to take up anything that would result in such an overturn of precedent. I say that knowing he voted to overturn Roe in this case, so I guess he can live with this 6-3 vote on his conscious. Curious if he'd allow them to go after Obgergefell as Thomas suggested since that was his court. All bets are off at this point, it seems.

 

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[Songbird]

Obama's only real legacy ... lit the fire under Donald's ass ... and Roe vs. Wade goes up in flames 11 years later.

 

[Spartan Squad]

Yeah we should have voted in 2016 or 2014 or 2010 to save the Democratic majority and judges and rights. But we're not in 10 or 14 or 16. We're in 22. If we're going to stop the bleeding, protect what rights we do have left and hold the people who are trying to steal our democracy accountable, we need to forking get
out the vote. We can't sit here and resign to what is coming because we should have stopped it sooner. Yeah we should have forking stopped it sooner. So let's stop it now. Get out the vote. Donate money if you live in a blue district in a blue state. We forked up before. Let's not fork up now. Because more is coming if we fork up now. So yeah, forking vote in November. Encourage the vote. No one gives one lousy shirt if we feel bad about what we didn't do. They care what we do now. Because what the GOP is going to do is turn this into the fourth forking reich.

 

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[Neutral Corner]

Yeah we should have voted in 2016 or 2014 or 2010 to save the Democratic majority and judges and rights. But we're not in 10 or 14 or 16. We're in 22. If we're going to stop the bleeding, protect what rights we do have left and hold the people who are trying to steal our democracy accountable, we need to forking get
out the vote. We can't sit here and resign to what is coming because we should have stopped it sooner. Yeah we should have forking stopped it sooner. So let's stop it now. Get out the vote. Donate money if you live in a blue district in a blue state. We forked up before. Let's not fork up now. Because more is coming if we fork up now. So yeah, forking vote in November. Encourage the vote. No one gives one lousy shirt if we feel bad about what we didn't do. They care what we do now. Because what the GOP is going to do is turn this into the fourth forking reich.

Stay angry.

 

[wicked]

Harriet Miers probably would've been on the same side of this decision, but she wouldn't have been such an asshole about it.

 

[sgreenwell]

And this was my first post on that thread. And 14 years later, the Republicans are now going to have to see what it's like to be on defense after they have their stupid Mission Accomplished party. That is, if the Dems do anything besides a bunch of strongly-worded statements.

"My feelings about the abortion issue are this: it seems like the pro-life (or antiabortion or however you want to call it) is so fixated on celebrating if they ever get their wish and that Roe vs. Wade is overturned. To me, they don't seem to think about what would happen after it was overturned.
I said this on another thread, but let's say the pro-lifers get what they want and abortion is banned nationwide except for cases of rape, incest and the mother's life and health. There are roughly 4,000 abortions daily.

Let's say, if abortion is banned, this is what happens in 99.9 percent of the 4,000 cases: 1. An abortion happens for the exceptions mentioned above. 2. The women carry the fetus to term. 3. A woman has an illegal abortion and comes out of it healthy, or 4. A woman has an illegal abortion, and is injured, but not killed. This leaves the 0.1 percent, or four women a day, DYING from an illegal abortion.

Now, you would figure it would be on the news every single day that four women are dying from a back-alley abortion. This isn't 1950 anymore. There is considerably more media coverage of sex issues. Imagine also, instead of protests on Washington with pictures of fetuses, there are pictures of daughters held by parents with signs saying "She would be alive, if abortion was legal."

To me, that's the Pandora's box for the pro-lifers. They could then claim that the women deserved to die for having an abortion, but, then they couldn't claim to be pro-life. That would make them anti-abortion, which, to me, if your're against it, don't have one."

1) These Christian pro-life hardliners do not give a shirt. If a woman dies getting an abortion, it's God's will. They are similarly unmotivated to do anything serious about school shootings, for example, if it means everyone can't get a gun.

2) Roe v. Wade getting overturned isn't the end for these folks. Like, they're not going to stop until abortion is banned in every state, or (more likely) until they all die out. I actually think the latter is more likely, since association with a Christian religion in the U.S. has shifted from highs of 95+ percent in the 1950s to 69 percent in 2021, per Gallup. Although, unfortunately, that's going to take decades to centuries to play out, a la Texas turning blue.