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STUNNER: Pluto leaving ABJ for PD

Scoop returns said:
I hope this isn't Tim Sullivan of San Diego and formerly of the Cincy Inky? Talk about terrible over the hill white men. I need say no more. You belong alongside Livingston and Shaw. So I can see how you are offended because I'm talking about you, as well.

SportsPredictor, no demote them because they are bad. I know this scares you, too. But deal with it.

No, you said they are two out of touch old white men, so they should be demoted. Of course, nothing but the white part of that sentence is true.
 
Joe Williams said:
wicked said:
Scoop returns said:
I hate saying this, but you are true idiot.

I hate saying this, but you didn't proofread your post, Dude! There's an article missing.

HTH.

Scoop returns said:
I bet you when the Plain Dealer sales its ads it takes advantage of the African-American demographic, as well as others. White males over 50 aren't who the advertisers are trying to reach. Remember that!

Also, don't know if you are journalist or not, but the charge of any good newspaper is to be reflective the community it covers. The Plain Dealer once again comes up way short, Dude!

Sells, not sales, btw.

HTH^2.
Think it should be "reflective of the community" too. Thanks for the help, wicked.

Actually, though, what does that mean? We need to match demographic percentages within newsrooms with the community? Are you sure that "the community" then will embrace the paper proportionally?

Advertisers can covet certain groups all they want -- 18-to-25 year olds, blacks, senior citizen Republicans -- but that doesn't mean members of those groups are going to adapt their lifestyles to buying and reading a newspaper if they already aren't doing so. Having a representative newsroom, with the "youth" voice, the "black" voice, the "aging" voice and so on, doesn't assure the paper of drawing in those groups. (Frankly, it also smacks of tokenism, as if a few young reporters somehow can speak to all youths or having a few black reporters covers the paper for somehow speaking to all blacks, simply by virtue of membership in that group. I'd rather take my chances with smart journalists of any age, race, gender, etc., striving hard to practice the craft in the right way.)

Young people may never embrace the paper. They're the group most adept at surfing the Internet, and they've been getting their news for free. Good luck selling subscriptions to them, at least before they age out of the advertisers' most desired target group. By the time the 18-to-25 year olds purchase homes, care about school districts, vote in local elections and become more likely (maybe) to want a general-interest newspaper on their doorsteps, they'll be 30-to-40 years olds. Doh!

Meanwhile, the newspaper very much risks alienating and losing the customers who have paid the bills for years or decades, if they feel that this very familiar product, coming into their homes, suddenly has changed, dismissing and abandoning them. Yet you KNEW they were customers, while you are only guessing about the groups you're chasing. Not smart business.

Yeah, they're "dying" anyway but maybe not as fast as they're dropping their subscriptions.

Terry Pluto is darn good at what he does. I suspect lots of sports fans across the demographic spectrum enjoy reading him. But he shouldn't have been hired because he's too old, too white, too male? That sure seems bigoted.

I realize I've gone on a bit here to respectfully address your rather disrespectful post, Scoop returns. Because something tells me you didn't really "hate saying this."

Excellent post. Dead. On. Nails.

So to sum up your argument, Scoop, am I to infer you don't read white columnists? That only columnists of color speak to you?

You lead a pathetic existence.
 
Sorry to say I told you so, 20, but everyone at the ABJ knew this was coming. As for Reed, why stick your head back in the noose that tried to drop the floor on you twice before, and at a paper half the size? Unless Tom hates it at the Dispatch, it makes no sense.
 
Tim,

There was at least one more error should caught. You, disappoint me? Having this much fun should bee against the law:
 
OK, Scoop. You're right. You make more mistakes than I have time to fix. But your biggest mistake is cowardice. If you won't identify yourself by name and affiliation, I will conclude that you are as gutless as you are pernicious. All I've seen from you so far is a prejudiced illiterate who takes shots at people who stand behind what they write by name; people who can write entire sentences without stumbling.

Show me something, Scoop. That is, of course, assuming you know how to spell your own name.
 
Tim Sullivan said:
OK, Scoop. You're right. You make more mistakes than I have time to fix. But your biggest mistake is cowardice. If you won't identify yourself by name and affiliation, I will conclude that you are as gutless as you are pernicious. All I've seen from you so far is a prejudiced illiterate who takes shots at people who stand behind what they write by name; people who can write entire sentences without stumbling.

Show me something, Scoop. That is, of course, assuming you know how to spell your own name.

Give the rah-rah, I-post-under-my-own-name-you-coward bullshirt a rest, old man. Your indignation got tiresome when you came on here to defend Ed Graney at the Las Vegas Review-Journal. I'll admit he hasn't failed, but I'm still waiting for him to find his legs. Quite average. And keep the cap on your red pen; I realize I don't have a subject in the last sentence (the finger wagging over grammar and spelling on a message board, by the way, is incredibly impressive, a real legacy-cementer).

While I'm a fan of your work in San Diego and wished I'd read your stuff before you came out West, your boy Livingston sucks balls. I've been following Brady Quinn, so I've been reading Livingston a lot the past few months. His column off the QB situation after the first preseason game was paragraph after paragraph of play-by-play. That was one of Livingston's better efforts I've seen; he actually produced one good line. Livingston might have been good once, but he blows now.
 
Tim,

The next time I see you in a press box, I will gladly stop by and introduce myself. Trust me, I'm no coward. You'll see at some point this season. It looks like I will be coming to San Diego during the football season. Bring your depends, buddy!
 
Scoop returns said:
Tim,

The next time I see you in a press box, I will gladly stop by and introduce myself. Trust me, I'm no coward. You'll see at some point this season. It looks like I will be coming to San Diego during the football season. Bring your depends, buddy!

Way to stay classy, troll.
 
Scoop returns said:
Tim,

The next time I see you in a press box, I will gladly stop by and introduce myself. Trust me, I'm no coward. You'll see at some point this season. It looks like I will be coming to San Diego during the football season. Bring your depends, buddy!

In other words, I will stalk you. Could always reveal yourself in a PM at the very least. But now, cowardice reigns.
 
It is a little surprising that the new editor of the Plain Dealer, who was the self-described champion of diversity when she was here on the West Coast, would add add a sports columnist and still have an all-white, all-male lineup.

It was a good move to hire Pluto, but surprising.
 

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