BCS leagues expanding - yeah?

[mustangj17]

Take a look at the ACC championship game crowds if you want to get an idea what attendance would look like at a PAC 10 championship game.

As others have said, the PAC-10 is fine. They've got their rivalries, everyone is on the West Coast, they all play each other, and they have the nice little Rose Bowl tie in. No reason to expand.

 

[Armchair_QB]

Notre Dame to the Big 10, which splits into East and West Divisions. East: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana and Purdue; West: Notre Dame, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa.

I say this every time the Big Ten expansion is brought up.

You cannot have East/West divisions because then you get a mess like the Big 12. You have to split Penn State from OSU and Michigan. OSU/Michigan must be in the same conference otherwise you could get a meaningless rivalry game at the end of hte season.

North:
Penn State
Wisconsin
Iowa
Notre Dame
Minnesota
Illinois or Northwestern



South:
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Indiana
Illinois or Northwestern

Why does Penn State have to be split from Michigan & OSU?

 

[bwright]

Notre Dame to the Big 10, which splits into East and West Divisions. East: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana and Purdue; West: Notre Dame, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa.

I say this every time the Big Ten expansion is brought up.

You cannot have East/West divisions because then you get a mess like the Big 12. You have to split Penn State from OSU and Michigan. OSU/Michigan must be in the same conference otherwise you could get a meaningless rivalry game at the end of hte season.

North:
Penn State
Wisconsin
Iowa
Notre Dame
Minnesota
Illinois or Northwestern



South:
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Indiana
Illinois or Northwestern

Why does Penn State have to be split from Michigan & OSU?

Why would you want all three decent programs in one division? I guess if you're Iowa or Minnesota you like it.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

I remember that being the argument against having Florida State and Miami in the same ACC division.

 

[Armchair_QB]

Notre Dame to the Big 10, which splits into East and West Divisions. East: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana and Purdue; West: Notre Dame, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa.

I say this every time the Big Ten expansion is brought up.

You cannot have East/West divisions because then you get a mess like the Big 12. You have to split Penn State from OSU and Michigan. OSU/Michigan must be in the same conference otherwise you could get a meaningless rivalry game at the end of hte season.

North:
Penn State
Wisconsin
Iowa
Notre Dame
Minnesota
Illinois or Northwestern



South:
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Indiana
Illinois or Northwestern

Why does Penn State have to be split from Michigan & OSU?

Why would you want all three decent programs in one division? I guess if you're Iowa or Minnesota you like it.

They're decent now. There is no guarantee they'll be decent in 5-10 years.

When the Big 12 was put together there was all kinds of screaming about how unbalanced the divisions were and how unfair it was that the big three of Nebraska, Colorado & Kansas State were in the same division and would dominate in football forever.

Gerrymandering divisions in order to create "balance" does not work.

 

[Armchair_QB]

I remember that being the argument against having Florida State and Miami in the same ACC division.

The argument for splitting FSU & Miami up had noting to do with competitive balance. It was all about the ACC wanting to have both of them in the championship game.

That's worked out real well.

 

[mustangj17]

Notre Dame to the Big 10, which splits into East and West Divisions. East: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana and Purdue; West: Notre Dame, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa.

I say this every time the Big Ten expansion is brought up.

You cannot have East/West divisions because then you get a mess like the Big 12. You have to split Penn State from OSU and Michigan. OSU/Michigan must be in the same conference otherwise you could get a meaningless rivalry game at the end of hte season.

North:
Penn State
Wisconsin
Iowa
Notre Dame
Minnesota
Illinois or Northwestern



South:
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Indiana
Illinois or Northwestern

Why does Penn State have to be split from Michigan & OSU?

Why would you want all three decent programs in one division? I guess if you're Iowa or Minnesota you like it.

They're decent now. There is no guarantee they'll be decent in 5-10 years.

When the Big 12 was put together there was all kinds of screaming about how unbalanced the divisions were and how unfair it was that the big three of Nebraska, Colorado & Kansas State were in the same division and would dominate in football forever.

Gerrymandering divisions in order to create "balance" does not work.

You'd be taking three of the top-10 winningest programs of the last 50 years and putting them in the same division. Sorry, won't work. This isn't baseball, things arent cyclical. In ten years, 20 years, 30 years, Penn State, Michigan and OSU, will still be top programs. Of course each school will have their bumps along the way, but by-in-large they will remain on top.

 

[Armchair_QB]

I did this kind of quick but here is one scenario that results in a bunch of changes but no changes to the ACC, SEC or Pac 10. This is all predicated on the Big 10 going to 16 teams as is being reported.

Big Ten adds
Pitt
Rutgers
Notre Dame
Nebraska
Missouri

Big East adds
UCF
Memphis
Temple

Big 12 adds
BYU
Utah

Conference USA adds
FAU
La. Tech
North Texas

Mountain West adds
Boise St.
UTEP

Sun Belt adds
South Alabama- already in the league, will become an FBS football school

Under this scenario the WAC would lose two schools (Boise & La. Tech) but wouldn't be able to replace them and would become a seven-team league unless a couple of FCS schools move up.

The MAC would also lose Temple and would not replace them but would now be a 12-team league again.

 

[Central-KY-Kid]

Im hoping the Big Ten goes to 12, not 14, 16, or 302 teams. I don't want a conference where the teams only play half of their fellow conference-mates. This isn't Big East basketball.

Everyone basketball-wise in the Big East plays all of the other 15 conference schools at least once.

12 opponents: Once
3 opponents: Twice.

18-game regular season.

Just sayin'.

 

[mustangj17]

I did this kind of quick but here is one scenario that results in a bunch of changes but no changes to the ACC, SEC or Pac 10. This is all predicated on the Big 10 going to 16 teams as is being reported.

Big Ten adds
Pitt
Rutgers
Notre Dame
Nebraska
Missouri

Big East adds
UCF
Memphis
Temple

Big 12 adds
BYU
Utah

Conference USA adds
FAU
La. Tech
North Texas

Mountain West adds
Boise St.
UTEP

Sun Belt adds
South Alabama- already in the league, will become an FBS football school

Under this scenario the WAC would lose two schools (Boise & La. Tech) but wouldn't be able to replace them and would become a seven-team league unless a couple of FCS schools move up.

The MAC would also lose Temple and would not replace them but would now be a 12-team league again.

I've heard talk of 16, but no definitive reports. I don't see 16. That's an extreme step.

 

[Armchair_QB]

Notre Dame to the Big 10, which splits into East and West Divisions. East: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana and Purdue; West: Notre Dame, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa.

I say this every time the Big Ten expansion is brought up.

You cannot have East/West divisions because then you get a mess like the Big 12. You have to split Penn State from OSU and Michigan. OSU/Michigan must be in the same conference otherwise you could get a meaningless rivalry game at the end of hte season.

North:
Penn State
Wisconsin
Iowa
Notre Dame
Minnesota
Illinois or Northwestern



South:
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Indiana
Illinois or Northwestern

Why does Penn State have to be split from Michigan & OSU?

Why would you want all three decent programs in one division? I guess if you're Iowa or Minnesota you like it.

They're decent now. There is no guarantee they'll be decent in 5-10 years.

When the Big 12 was put together there was all kinds of screaming about how unbalanced the divisions were and how unfair it was that the big three of Nebraska, Colorado & Kansas State were in the same division and would dominate in football forever.

Gerrymandering divisions in order to create "balance" does not work.

You'd be taking three of the top-10 winningest programs of the last 50 years and putting them in the same division. Sorry, won't work. This isn't baseball, things arent cyclical. In ten years, 20 years, 30 years, Penn State, Michigan and OSU, will still be top programs. Of course each school will have their bumps along the way, but by-in-large they will remain on top.

When JoePa retires Penn State will become Michigan State and those last 50 years won't matter. heck, Michigan could be on their way to a long downswing too.

And if you want to talk recent history, PSU has been to 3 BCS bowls since 2000. Iowa's been to 2. Tell me again why PSU deserves to be split off from Michigan & Ohio State.

 

[TigerVols]

Kevin Harlan's reporting that UConn, Pitt and ND have formally been invited to join the B10.

Mizzou didn't make the first round.