Jordan Neely killing/Daniel Penny charges

[Alma]

Starting a thread for this because it's barely related to Joe Biden, Donald Trump and politics.

Here's a story on the NYC social services unit that keeps "Top 50" lists of most at-risk homeless persons. These people are doing God's work, IMO, and Neely was on the list.

Jordan Neely Was on New York's 'Top 50' List of Homeless People at Risk

It offers context to Neely's fairly well-documented behavior.

But this not context Penny would have known when he choked Neely until death. It's hard to see, in this moment, how Penny's actions aren't excessive and criminal.

 

[doctorquant]

Penny would not have known of this history, true.

But the implication that this history doesn't speak to what Penny could have been confronted with in that particular moment ... no way.

 

[Azrael]

Penny would not have known of this history, true.

But the implication that this history doesn't speak to what Penny could have been confronted with in that particular moment ... no way.

Maybe.

Depends on what Neely was actually doing.

 

[Azrael]

Starting a thread for this because it's barely related to Joe Biden, Donald Trump and politics.

Here's a story on the NYC social services unit that keeps "Top 50" lists of most at-risk homeless persons. These people are doing God's work, IMO, and Neely was on the list.

Jordan Neely Was on New York's 'Top 50' List of Homeless People at Risk

It offers context to Neely's fairly well-documented behavior.

But this not context Penny would have known when he choked Neely until death. It's hard to see, in this moment, how Penny's actions aren't excessive and criminal.

Fairly telling that there's been so much reporting on Neely, and so little on Penny.

 

[Azrael]

 

[Regan MacNeil]

Good Samaritan? Does Ron not see the long game here?

 

[Alma]

It's an astonishing, despicable use of the Good Samaritan concept. (The Samaritan of course is Jesus.)

 

[doctorquant]

The Good Samaritan, had he come upon the dude as the thieves were doing their thing, would definitely have just moved to the other side of the road.

 

[Alma]

The Good Samaritan, had he come upon the dude as the thieves were doing their thing, would definitely have just moved to the other side of the road.

It doesn't need to devolve into a religious debate but the GS is a figment of Jesus' parable imagination. It's Jesus. The GS is not a Swiss Army Knife of responses that includes vigilantism.

 

[Alma]

Maybe.

Depends on what Neely was actually doing.

It'd have to be something that merited a 15-minute chokehold that a trained ex-Marine might know might kill someone.

The time of the hold works against Penny. You could more easily argue 30 seconds = an accident.You might even argue that a gunshot = a truly "felt" imminence. (A concealed gun on subway is probably illegal, but speaks to feeling an imminent threat.)

what's the imminent threat 6 minutes into the chokehold?

 

[doctorquant]

The GS is not a Swiss Army Knife of responses that includes vigilantism.

Wasn't arguing that at all. Let's move on.

 

[doctorquant]

Also ... no one's arguing the chokehold was "merited."