Worst Movie Sequel Ever

[DanOregon]

Lennon would have been less "poppy" than McCartney. He'd issue an album every 8 years or so, be kind of like Dylan. Maybe do a movie role or three like Roger Daltry or Jagger. Maybe even issue a country music album in the late '80s/early '90s that would have received zero airplay on country radio due to his criticism about Reagan and Bush, but it would have been hailed by Rolling Stone and won a Grammy.

 

[3_Octave_Fart]

I always thought Christian Slater owed his career to Phoenix's premature demise. See also Emma Stone and Lindsey Lohan.

I think Phoenix could have been a DiCaprio. He had the chops and was already doing big pictures.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...b5d332-d6cb-11e8-a10f-b51546b10756_story.html

His death, at the height of his fame when it seemed that so much more would come his way, was a gut punch: We'd seen this movie before. We had also seen the aftermath — all the beautiful stars who had lived fast and died young only to become larger in death, enshrined as legends.

Yet Phoenix has strangely slipped away from us — grieved but rarely celebrated anymore. His death was quickly overshadowed by Kurt Cobain's suicide and other grunge-era tragedies; Phoenix's movies fell off the cultural radar. The other beautiful, talented boys of his day gained gravitas and intrigue as they matured into A-list stars. It is harder than ever to imagine Phoenix in middle age, but also, perhaps, unnecessary.

 

[justgladtobehere]

I think Phoenix could have been a DiCaprio. He had the chops and was already doing big pictures.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...b5d332-d6cb-11e8-a10f-b51546b10756_story.html

I think Johnny Depp was with Phoenix the night he died. I think it's reasonable that Phoenix would have something close to Depp's career.

 

[cyclingwriter2]

Hey- I have a soft spot for Bad News Bears: Breaking Training.
It's less a film than a snapshot of American life in the late 1970s.
Endless hijinks, toilet humor, second-rate jokes and a heartwarming mission objective.
The tricked-out van that cuts across the Southwestern landscape is the ultimate phallic representation of male conquest.
And everyone from Rudy Stein to Carmen Ronzonni is rocking cowboy boots.

Like I say to the kids: You had to be there.

Gonna defend this movie as well. In many ways, it can be a standalone movie, which is rare in sequels. While not at the depth of the the original's harsh and cynical look at youth sports or the parenting skills of Burt Lancaster (his son wrote the film and butterworth is based on his father), it has its moments of strong writing. Carmen is introduced as the antagonist in the first half of the movie, but after the beating he gets on the mound in the scrimmage game, he follows the redemption arc as the true antagonists are introduced in the visage of the Toros. Who the heck didn't want to punch the dickhead who yells, "I hope we didn't hurt the baby bear," or wanted to face off against their greaseball pitcher? And you had the cheer when the over matched Bears resort to the hidden ball trick. Then you have Kelly Leak's personal "hero's journey" to reconnect with his deadbeat dad. That was a nice touch. Finally, "let them play, let them play," is a poor man's Rocky chant, but it kicks ass.

 

[DanOregon]

Bob Watson!

 

[3_Octave_Fart]

Aye, all of that.

Some of us remember when f'n Pizza Hut was considered a family dining destination.

Some of us first started playing the game on fields as shirtty (or worse) than the one on which they battle the Tejanos.

Every league had the shirtballer like Carmen who thought he was a great player.

 

[Starman]

Speaking of Akroyd, has any comedian gone from the penthouse to the outhouse to such as extent as him? He just stopped being funny. Granted, he still has the consolation of Donna Dixon

Chevy Chase beat him by several years, but the number of times he was ever actually funny could be counted on one hand.

Aykroyd has also rebounded fairly nicely in the last couple decades with some lower key comedies and straight roles.
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[Starman]

FWIW, "Godfather III" was nominated for Best Picture in 1990, and arguably should have won (Dances With Wolves?)

It was an OK, somewhat overlong, gangster epic. It gets trashed because it doesn't live up to the legacy of its big brothers, probably two of the 20 best films of all time.

And mainly it gets trashed because much of that failure can be laid flatly on production/corporate forkups, failing to bring back Robert Duvall to resolve the Tom Hagen storyline, and thus forcing the icky-poo cousin romance subplot into the main plot line, and forcing Sofia Coppola's role (which should have been 3-4 walk-through scenes) into a major character. It mainly gets trashed for what it could have been but wasn't, rather than what it was.

 

[Batman]

Never been a huge fan of scary movies in general -- unless it involves Roman Catholics and the devil -- but I can't remember many slasher sequels that approaches the original, most less a 6th installment.

A few of the Friday the 13th sequels (Parts 4 and 6, Freddy vs. Jason, and even Jason X) are generally regarded as the best in that series. Admittedly, that's a pretty low bar.
Nightmare on Elm Street Part 3 is usually considered the best of that series as well.

The original Halloween, on the other hand, set such a high bar not just for the franchise but for horror movies in general that any sequel would have a hard time even approaching it much less besting it. Halloween 2, H20 and the latest one were pretty good. Part 4 wasn't terrible. None are as good as the original.
Part 6, though ... my god, did that thing suck ass. The plot is that Michael Myers has raped and impregnated his niece, in order to conceive a baby that he can then kill as a sacrifice to a druid cult that has controlled him since birth. Most of this is to pay off plot threads started in Part 5. And it only gets worse from there.

Someone mentioned that Halloween 3 was supposed to take the series in a different direction, but it failed and they had to bring back Michael Myers. The funny thing is, Halloween 3 sort of did what it was supposed to do. The series has become an anthology, it just happens to be an anthology of stories starring Michael Myers as the villain.
There are, IIRC, six different timelines now in the Halloween franchise, which is at 11 movies and counting. The first two movies are canon, and then the others all branch off from there.

 

[outofplace]

A few of the Friday the 13th sequels (Parts 4 and 6, Freddy vs. Jason, and even Jason X) are generally regarded as the best in that series. Admittedly, that's a pretty low bar.
Nightmare on Elm Street Part 3 is usually considered the best of that series as well.

The original Halloween, on the other hand, set such a high bar not just for the franchise but for horror movies in general that any sequel would have a hard time even approaching it much less besting it. Halloween 2, H20 and the latest one were pretty good. Part 4 wasn't terrible. None are as good as the original.
Part 6, though ... my god, did that thing suck ass. The plot is that Michael Myers has raped and impregnated his niece, in order to conceive a baby that he can then kill as a sacrifice to a druid cult that has controlled him since birth. Most of this is to pay off plot threads started in Part 5. And it only gets worse from there.

Someone mentioned that Halloween 3 was supposed to take the series in a different direction, but it failed and they had to bring back Michael Myers. The funny thing is, Halloween 3 sort of did what it was supposed to do. The series has become an anthology, it just happens to be an anthology of stories starring Michael Myers as the villain.
There are, IIRC, six different timelines now in the Halloween franchise, which is at 11 movies and counting. The first two movies are canon, and then the others all branch off from there.

I thought the most recent one was a direct sequel to the first two.

 

[Deskgrunt50]

FWIW, "Godfather III" was nominated for Best Picture in 1990, and arguably should have won (Dances With Wolves?)

"Goodfellas" would like a word on best picture in that group.

 

[Batman]

I thought the most recent one was a direct sequel to the first two.

It is. But so was Part 4 and H20.
Basically, Part 1 (and maybe 2) are canon for everything except the Rob Zombie movies. After that, the timelines splinter.