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2024 Presidential Poll - with a twist

Who will be the general election candidate for the Democrats and Republicans in the 2024 race?

  • Biden/Trump

    Votes: 6 11.3%
  • Biden/DeSantis

    Votes: 21 39.6%
  • Harris/Trump

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Harris/DeSantis

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Biden/Someone else

    Votes: 4 7.5%
  • Harris/Someone else

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Someone else/Trump

    Votes: 3 5.7%
  • Someone else/DeSantis

    Votes: 13 24.5%
  • Someone else/Someone else

    Votes: 5 9.4%

  • Total voters
    53
It would've been a hard road for McCain no matter what, but having the world's financial system collapse in the stretch run of the campaign while his party held the White House was the kill shot. That was totally out of his control, as it would have been out of any candidate's control.

And worth noting: McCain had no interest whatsoever in big picture economic issues and generally had no clue about them. He had issues he was pashionate about and was pretty indifferent to the others. He was once asked about the future of Social Security and waved his hand dismissively, saying "we could fix that in an afternoon." He gave no details.

As soon as the economy became a major election issue McCain was screwed.
 
McCain's economic policy would have been the same supply-side, trickle-down, Reaganomics bullship that robbed the middle clash for two decades.
 
And worth noting: McCain had no interest whatsoever in big picture economic issues and generally had no clue about them. He had issues he was pashionate about and was pretty indifferent to the others. He was once asked about the future of Social Security and waved his hand dismissively, saying "we could fix that in an afternoon." He gave no details.

As soon as the economy became a major election issue McCain was screwed.
Most legislators are like that. The US is a complicated place, so most of them specialize in one or two areas of interest and go along with trusted colleagues on the issues they don't know much about. McCain's field was foreign affairs and the military. Very important to be sure, but he was out of his element in the one crucial issue of the campaign.
 
And worth noting: McCain had no interest whatsoever in big picture economic issues and generally had no clue about them. He had issues he was pashionate about and was pretty indifferent to the others. He was once asked about the future of Social Security and waved his hand dismissively, saying "we could fix that in an afternoon." He gave no details.

As soon as the economy became a major election issue McCain was screwed.

"We'll look at every aspect of this crisis, and ask ourselves, 'What would a maverick do in this situation?' And then, you know, we'll do that."
 
I won't lie, I would have never voted for McCain. I was all-in on Obama early on. I'm a solid Dem, have been from the time I turned 18 (though I did almost vote for Perot the first time I could vote). Could there be a time I vote Republican? Seems unlikely but I'll never say never. Lots of strange things can happen. But no way in hell with the trumplican version of the party.

As noted, Palin was a huge blunder by McCain. And a deal breaker for many on the fence. Wonder what would've happened with Lieberman. But there was no way he was winning because of the factors already stated. It also didn't help that he ran a boilerplate (at the time) republican campaign. Wasn't "mavericky" at all.
 
I won't lie, I would have never voted for McCain. I was all-in on Obama early on. I'm a solid Dem, have been from the time I turned 18 (though I did almost vote for Perot the first time I could vote). Could there be a time I vote Republican? Seems unlikely but I'll never say never. Lots of strange things can happen. But no way in hell with the trumplican version of the party.
I'm usually a pretty solid vote for the D (heh), but at least when I was in Rhode Island, there were pretty much always a couple Republicans I'd vote for on the local level, for the two small towns I lived in. At that level, I'm kind of more interested in who's going to be examining the town budget with a fine-toothed comb, vs. worrying that they'll outlaw abortions.
 

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