Jones/ESPNMAG

[friend of the friendless]

Sirs, Madames,

Threads like this make a case for membership by application. It's one thing to have some honest criticism from peers, anyone ranging from jg to a kid working at some Dust Bowl weekly. Or even a kid in j-school. But to have some drive-by shooting from a sj-hating troll who writes about "the media elites" is a bit much. I don't mind having pieces ship on--it has happened here and it will happen again. I have no problem with it so long as it's honest, industry criticism. And if peers want to ship on espn, knock yourselves out. Tell it here or to the ombudsman, make my day. But the lurker not-in-the-biz troll trashing those who toil and take pride in what they do and have put in years to get to their place in the game ... that isn't just tiresome. It's not an ashault on the writer. It's an ashault on the readers here. It's an ashault on the site.

o-<

 

[Boom_70]

Sirs, Madames,

Threads like this make a case for membership by application. It's one thing to have some honest criticism from peers, anyone ranging from jg to a kid working at some Dust Bowl weekly. Or even a kid in j-school. But to have some drive-by shooting from a sj-hating troll who writes about "the media elites" is a bit much. I don't mind having pieces ship on--it has happened here and it will happen again. I have no problem with it so long as it's honest, industry criticism. And if peers want to ship on espn, knock yourselves out. Tell it here or to the ombudsman, make my day. But the lurker not-in-the-biz troll trashing those who toil and take pride in what they do and have put in years to get to their place in the game ... that isn't just tiresome. It's not an ashault on the writer. It's an ashault on the readers here. It's an ashault on the site.

o-<

It seems like you are are suggesting that readers are not allowed to criticize.

If you like a story send heaps of praise, If you don't like it then tough.

 

[The Big Ragu]

Criticism is thoughtful, well reasoned and constructive. Cheap shots are none of those things.

 

[pseudo]

Come back, jg. Please.

 

[Songbird]

jgmacg is a well-reasoned man. I doubt he'd leave permanently.

 

[Elliotte Friedman]

Everybody take a deep breath. I don't want to lock this.

Does anybody want to address Chris' questions about the article?

 

[Songbird]

What is the question?

 

[Frank_Ridgeway]

jgmacg is a well-reasoned man. I doubt he'd leave permanently.

If he leaves, the errorists win.

 

[Beaker]

What is the question?

I'm not sure, really. It's simply a year in review piece, which is why there are so many seemingly disparate topics. I'm not sure what he doesn't understand about that.

 

[Boom_70]

jgmacg is a well-reasoned man. I doubt he'd leave permanently.

jmac is a baby.

 

[Boom_70]

Criticism is thoughtful, well reasoned and constructive. Cheap shots are none of those things.

Please point out the cheap shots on this thread.

If anything ESPN has taken more cheap shots here at SJ than any other sports entity that I can think of.

 

[Songbird]

I think the bottom line here is that art is open to interpretation, however a person decides to interpret, for good or for worse.

So Boom and Evil don't like Jones' piece(s). No big whoop.