NFL Week 1 thread -- Where we learn the meaning of Vão pássaros

[Hermes]

Tyreek Hill has probably watched a lot of those videos of guys who roll down their window a crack and say they don't answer questions.

Instagram and TikTok make my wife's job as a defense attorney 100 times harder, spreading stupid advice on this. Cops screw up so many times in these situations. The one way to make sure you won't benefit in court from the police botching one of these interactions is by declaring yourself a sovereign citizen.

 

[outofplace]

My point exactly; it's incumbent on the POLICE to justify their actions, not the other way around.

Rolled up window? The possibilities? Well give a specific order to keep window down.

And after he opened the door, they knew exactly what he was doing, he was on the phone, yet they were still "pissed off" so they gave him the business. That's not how law enforcement is supposed to work. They should pay, and not just $$.

No doubt, but that doesn't absolve Hill. As Batman explained, when he rolls a tinted window up, that can create a dangerous situation for them. At best, it was stupid. At worst, it was an entitled asshole who helped create the problem.

 

[FileNotFound]

Both sides forked up here.

It started with Hill asking, "Why are you pounding on my window all crazy?" or however it was he asked it. The cop wasn't pounding on his window "all crazy." He was tapping on it and giving a lawful order to put the window down.

At this point, the cop had a choice to say something along those lines. Instead, he chose to act like a child and be miffed that this man was questioning his authority to tap on said window.

From there, it became about this cop proving his manhood. At that point it didn't matter that the subject of the traffic stop was Tyreek Hill. In fact, that probably made it worse for Hill, because some part of this asshole cop's lizard brain likely thought he'd have a great story to tell about how he took down an NFL player and didn't give a fork who he was.

At that point, the cop's partners had no choice — they had to defend their guy and play along, not unlike a situation where an umpire makes a bad call but the rest of the crew has to sell it.

Hill has had enough run-ins with the law to know that righteous indignation is not an affirmative defense. This cop working in the shadow of a stadium should have enough life experience to know that an NFL player driving a McLaren or whatever isn't going to pull a forking gun on him on forking game day.

Cops should be held to a higher standard of behavior and should always err on the side of de-escalation. It's also incumbent on the cop to use some situational awareness and consider the totality of the situation. If you are a cop and you wake up knowing you're about to have a Not Today, Motherforker kind of day, that would be a good day to call in sick. Unfortunately, for too many cops "Not Today, Motherforker" is their default attitude, and that leads to situations like this.

 

[jr/shotglass]

Both sides forked up here.

It started with Hill asking, "Why are you pounding on my window all crazy?" or however it was he asked it. The cop wasn't pounding on his window "all crazy." He was tapping on it and giving a lawful order to put the window down.

At this point, the cop had a choice to say something along those lines. Instead, he chose to act like a child and be miffed that this man was questioning his authority to tap on said window.

From there, it became about this cop proving his manhood. At that point it didn't matter that the subject of the traffic stop was Tyreek Hill. In fact, that probably made it worse for Hill, because some part of this asshole cop's lizard brain likely thought he'd have a great story to tell about how he took down an NFL player and didn't give a fork who he was.

At that point, the cop's partners had no choice — they had to defend their guy and play along, not unlike a situation where an umpire makes a bad call but the rest of the crew has to sell it.

Hill has had enough run-ins with the law to know that righteous indignation is not an affirmative defense. This cop working in the shadow of a stadium should have enough life experience to know that an NFL player driving a McLaren or whatever isn't going to pull a forking gun on him on forking game day.

Cops should be held to a higher standard of behavior and should always err on the side of de-escalation. It's also incumbent on the cop to use some situational awareness and consider the totality of the situation. If you are a cop and you wake up knowing you're about to have a Not Today, Motherforker kind of day, that would be a good day to call in sick. Unfortunately, for too many cops "Not Today, Motherforker" is their default attitude, and that leads to situations like this.

There are so many "probablys" and "likelys" in that. Here's one: Tyreek Hill was "likely" being Tyreek Hill.

This was not Rodney King 2.0 being played out here. AND as an officer, you don't go into a volatile situation thinking, "Hey, considering who this guy is, he PROBABLY won't pull a gun on me."

 

[goalmouth]

One of the most loathsome characters in a league full of loathsome characters, from the owners on down.

 

[jr/shotglass]

I just don't understand anyone carrying water for Tyreek Hill. Tyreek Hill has shown us who he is. Does anyone really think he gets the benefit of any doubt here?

 

[Regan MacNeil]

For someone who doesn't want to get into a pissing match, you keep posting about this.

 

[dixiehack]

If you don't have civil rights in unpopular cases you don't have them at all. Just a matter of how long it takes for the steamroller to catch up to people you do think are worthy.

 

[jr/shotglass]

For someone who doesn't want to get into a pissing match, you keep posting about this.

Fair. Point's been made and you got your two cents in.

 

[outofplace]

If you don't have civil rights in unpopular cases you don't have them at all. Just a matter of how long it takes for the steamroller to catch up to people you do think are worthy.

I don't think anybody is saying it was okay to violate Hill's civil rights. The police officer can be wrong and Hill can be wrong. Both things can be true. I think they are in this case.

 

[jr/shotglass]

Dixie, I'd tell you too that I don't think it's OK to violate Hill's civil rights. But I'm not supposed to get into a pissing match about it, so I won't tell you that.

 

[outofplace]

Absolutely, if any group deserves to benefit of the doubt based on their history of not overreacting, it's the police.

Tyreek Hill is on the other side of this situation. Does he deserve the benefit of the doubt?