Whatever you do, don't make mistakes at Notre Dame

[Johnny Rockets]

This stuff happens all of the time.

Suggestion: If you join the debate team next semester, cross this off your list of potential arguments.

Yeah, coming from a guy who calls himself "Shotglass" ..

My beef with your original post is this: why would Notre Dame be "pilloried" for a response less harsh? First off, pilloried by whom? Do we know that possession of marijuana= mandatory expulsion at Notre Dame? It seems to be a case-by-case basis. By virtually any standard, it seems to be a heavy-handed ruling, or if it is indeed that clear (pot=gone, which remains to be seen), a pretty harsh policy.

And when you talk about college athletics at large, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a university in a major athletic conference that would come down on a student this harshly under these types of circumstances. There are very few that would expell a kid on a first offense. So I find it hard to believe that Notre Dame would suffer in a court of public opinion, if that's what you're implying.

 

[Cadet]

2) ND, given that they are a bit of an institution, could force the local Barney Fifes to arrest kids at football games for underage drinking, but then that would fly in the face of what appears to be a pretty strong frat-boy culture.

For those who don't know, Notre Dame doesn't have fraternities/sororities because the whole forking place is one giant frat. In a Harry Potter-esque way, students are divided into houses where they most likely stay for their entire duration of on-campus living. And on-campus living is often more than just the freshman year. There are no co-ed houses on campus, thus effectively turning each house into a de facto fraternity/sorority.

 

[beefncheddar]

Good thing ND doesn't have ANY football players that like weed. That could be trouble.

 

[BYH]

DONNA MARTIN GRADUATES! DONNA MARTIN GRADUATES!!!

(is on right now)

 

[Cadet]

All right, I've got the goods from an inside source. My brother is a former assistant rector (basically Head RA) at an ND dorm:

as for ND's policy on underage drinking, it's actually quite funny. the don't
condone it, but they look the other way. it's okay to have alcohol in the
dorms if it is under 12% alcohol, but, you can't bring it on campus, meaning
that you have to basically hide it, b/c if you're caught bringing it on campus,
they will take it from you. technically, if you're underage you're not supposed
to drink, but it's up to the residence halls to really police that in the dorms,
and most of them turn a blind eye as long as alcohol consumption is behind
closed doors, or unless people get really hammered and stupid.

as for dwi's or mpi's, if you get one of those, you're reported to reslife,
which automatically fines you something like $300, and then makes you take
classes, as well as having it on your record, and every strike against you can
add up to worse penalties.

 

[outofplace]

2) ND, given that they are a bit of an institution, could force the local Barney Fifes to arrest kids at football games for underage drinking, but then that would fly in the face of what appears to be a pretty strong frat-boy culture.

For those who don't know, Notre Dame doesn't have fraternities/sororities because the whole forking place is one giant frat. In a Harry Potter-esque way, students are divided into houses where they most likely stay for their entire duration of on-campus living. And on-campus living is often more than just the freshman year. There are no co-ed houses on campus, thus effectively turning each house into a de facto fraternity/sorority.

Oh, so now Notre Dame should be controlling the police and making sure they arrest any underage drinkers. This just gets better and better.

 

[JR]

Oh, so now Notre Dame should be controlling the police and making sure they arrest any underage drinkers. This just gets better and better.

Sigh.

Notre Dame has a policy of punishing students who break certain laws i.e. illegal drugs.

Since underage drinking is illegal, why aren't they targeting these people as wel?

If there is drinking going on at university sanctioned events such as football games and the school doesn't act--by policing it, then the school is condoning that behavior, and in light of the expulsion of the kid for his dope-related arrest, is being hypocritical.

Pretty simple logic.

 

[STLIrish]

If the cops swooped in and arrested the kids for underage drinking, would they be booted from school? I have no idea, since I've never read a story about it, nor do I have the student handbook. But again, nobody here knows if random students are expelled for underage drinking (if there is anyone who knows, please feel free to share with the class.)

No. Students aren't expelled for underage drinking. If they get "caught" on campus -- which typically meant getting sent to the hospital, getting in a significant fight, running afoul of campus police, etc., far more than say, just plain drinking or even puking in view of an authority figure -- they usually got sent to "Res Life:" internal discipline, fine, counseling, that sort of thing. The more often you went, the worse they hit you.
If they got caught off campus, as I believe this guy did, then they're subject to local law enforcement, which, in a city of 100,000, isn't exactly Barney Fife. Plus referral to Res Life.
As for drugs, when I was there five years ago I knew a couple of guys who got kicked out of the dorms for drug use, another who got referred to Res Life for pot. But there wasn't really a lot of drugs being used, at least at the time. Expulsion would strike me as pretty harsh, even if it is on the books (you can get expelled for being caught in the dorm of the opposite sex after midnight, according to the books). My purely speculative guess is that this wasn't the kid's first time.

 

[outofplace]

Oh, so now Notre Dame should be controlling the police and making sure they arrest any underage drinkers. This just gets better and better.

Sigh.

Notre Dame has a policy of punishing students who break certain laws i.e. illegal drugs.

Since underage drinking is illegal, why aren't they targeting these people as wel?

If there is drinking going on at university sanctioned events such as football games and the school doesn't act--by policing it, then the school is condoning that behavior, and in light of the expulsion of the kid for his dope-related arrest, is being hypocritical.

Pretty simple logic.

I thought you were done on this thread.

 

[JR]

Oh, so now Notre Dame should be controlling the police and making sure they arrest any underage drinkers. This just gets better and better.

Sigh.

Notre Dame has a policy of punishing students who break certain laws i.e. illegal drugs.

Since underage drinking is illegal, why aren't they targeting these people as wel?

If there is drinking going on at university sanctioned events such as football games and the school doesn't act--by policing it, then the school is condoning that behavior, and in light of the expulsion of the kid for his dope-related arrest, is being hypocritical.

Pretty simple logic.

I thought you were done on this thread.

Well, I was until you showed up again .

 

[outofplace]

Oh, so now Notre Dame should be controlling the police and making sure they arrest any underage drinkers. This just gets better and better.

Sigh.

Notre Dame has a policy of punishing students who break certain laws i.e. illegal drugs.

Since underage drinking is illegal, why aren't they targeting these people as wel?

If there is drinking going on at university sanctioned events such as football games and the school doesn't act--by policing it, then the school is condoning that behavior, and in light of the expulsion of the kid for his dope-related arrest, is being hypocritical.

Pretty simple logic.

I thought you were done on this thread.

Well, I was until you showed up again .

Yeah, I have a gift for drawing people out.

 

[KP]

About the BC Sean Williams/Akita McLain thing, anyone out there hearing the "g" word being tossed around?