Whatever you do, don't make mistakes at Notre Dame

[TheSportsPredictor]

Didn't know it was a "mistake" to knowingly break both school code and the law.

 

[outofplace]

What if Notre Dame had a rule against interracial dating? Everyone support that because it's "the rules"?

Point is, this policy is stupid and backward, unforceable and arbitrary--like the War on Drugs.

Oh, and this article on "zero tolerance" is rather enlightening.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070113.IDEAS13/TPStory/Education

The Canadian Bar Association has taken a strong stance against the Conservative gestures toward zero tolerance.

Said Vancouver lawyer Greg DelBigio, chair of the group's criminal justice section, "I think it's a phrase that should not be used. What does it mean? Does it mean every person that commits a criminal offence, no matter the circumstance and no matter how trivial, gets prosecuted?"

Speaking of straw men...

Smoking pot is illegal, whether you agree with the law or not. Notre Dame is completely within its rights to kick this kid out of school if its rules allow it.

JR, I do agree that the policy against underage drinking should be just as strict as the one against marijuana.

But the just because a policy is questionable that doesn't mean students can violate it without a price.

More importantly, comparing a policy against using an illegal drug to a mythical rule against interracial dating is at best disingenuous on your part. The rule against marijuana may seem backward to you, but it is in line with the law. A rule against interracial dating would be racist, offensive and grounds for a lawsuit. They are not even remotely similar and you should know that.

 

[JR]

The interracial dating thing was a bad comparable. My apologies.

My point is--which no one here has addressed yet-- why is the university condoning certain illegal behaviour (underage drinking) but not another--smoking a joint?

It makes the university look bush league and quite frankly, hypocritical.

As Elliotte pointed out, there may be other factors in play, but in 2007, having a draconian policy like this doesn't enhance the optics.

 

[bigpern23]

The interracial dating thing was a bad comparable. My apologies.

My point is--which no one here has addressed yet-- why is the university condoning certain illegal behaviour (underage drinking) but not another--smoking a joint?

It makes the university look bush league and quite frankly, hypocritical.

As Elliotte pointed out, there may be other factors in play, but in 2007, having a draconian policy like this doesn't enhance the optics.

Honestly, I don't know what their policy is towards kids who are arrested for underage drinking, but I will say this as far as football Saturdays go: It's a lot more difficult to go around the parking lots carding every person you see and arresting those who are drinking underage than it is to kick a kid who was arrested with marijuana out of school.

Just logistically speaking, controlling underage drinking at football games is much more difficult than disciplining someone who is arrest for marijuana possession.

What they do with kids who are arrested for underage drinking, I have no idea, and I suspect, JR, that you aren't sure either.

(And I think the arrest part of this is an important distinction to make.)

 

[JR]

Honestly, I don't know what their policy is towards kids who are arrested for underage drinking, but I will say this as far as football Saturdays go: It's a lot more difficult to go around the parking lots carding every person you see and arresting those who are drinking underage than it is to kick a kid who was arrested with marijuana out of school.

Just logistically speaking, controlling underage drinking at football games is much more difficult than disciplining someone who is arrest for marijuana possession.

What they do with kids who are arrested for underage drinking, I have no idea, and I suspect, JR, that you aren't sure either.

(And I think the arrest part of this is an important distinction to make.)

Of course they could control drinking at games but they choose not to. because beer and football--as someone else pointed out--is a big part of the frat-boy culture which apprently is still alive and well in 1950's Notre Dame.

The whole thing is just a reflection of the absolutely asinine attitudes that still exist around a recreational drug like marijuana..

 

[finishthehat]

No, Big, it's just the double-edged sword that is Notre Dame. The schools is always likely to draw more interest than a place like BC, in good times and bad.

And I know this is a straw man, but I wonder what would have happened if this were Brady Quinn or Jeff Samaerardlkjdfal;df.

Not quite on the level of those guys, but two seasons ago FB/RB Rashon Powers-Neal, who was having a pretty good season, quietly never played again. Turned out he had gotten a DUI (IIIRC), and the du Lac policy came into play.

 

[JR]

What's a du Lac?

 

[Pringle]

What's a du Lac?

French for "The Lake"

 

[outofplace]

Honestly, I don't know what their policy is towards kids who are arrested for underage drinking, but I will say this as far as football Saturdays go: It's a lot more difficult to go around the parking lots carding every person you see and arresting those who are drinking underage than it is to kick a kid who was arrested with marijuana out of school.

Just logistically speaking, controlling underage drinking at football games is much more difficult than disciplining someone who is arrest for marijuana possession.

What they do with kids who are arrested for underage drinking, I have no idea, and I suspect, JR, that you aren't sure either.

(And I think the arrest part of this is an important distinction to make.)

Of course they could control drinking at games but they choose not to. because beer and football--as someone else pointed out--is a big part of the frat-boy culture which apprently is still alive and well in 1950's Notre Dame.

The whole thing is just a reflection of the absolutely asinine attitudes that still exist around a recreational drug like marijuana..

And how many brain cells have you sacrificed to recreation?

 

[JR]

Honestly, I don't know what their policy is towards kids who are arrested for underage drinking, but I will say this as far as football Saturdays go: It's a lot more difficult to go around the parking lots carding every person you see and arresting those who are drinking underage than it is to kick a kid who was arrested with marijuana out of school.

Just logistically speaking, controlling underage drinking at football games is much more difficult than disciplining someone who is arrest for marijuana possession.

What they do with kids who are arrested for underage drinking, I have no idea, and I suspect, JR, that you aren't sure either.

(And I think the arrest part of this is an important distinction to make.)

Of course they could control drinking at games but they choose not to. because beer and football--as someone else pointed out--is a big part of the frat-boy culture which apprently is still alive and well in 1950's Notre Dame.

The whole thing is just a reflection of the absolutely asinine attitudes that still exist around a recreational drug like marijuana..

And how many brain cells have you sacrificed to recreation?

Point?

 

[Starman]

 

[shotglass]

JR, I mean, come on.

I completely agree that marijuana laws should be relaxed. Always thought so. But they have NOT been.

If Notre Dame had a stance OTHER than this, it would be pilloried.

The kid did the crime, and he is doing the time. It's an absolute no-brainer.